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| Feb 09 16:04:11 <jpr>2 more minutes and then we'll start | |
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| Feb 09 16:05:40 <jpr>ok, here go | |
| Feb 09 16:05:46 <jpr>2.1 development status | |
| Feb 09 16:05:57 <jpr>as per the GNOME schedule we've now hit feature freeze | |
| Feb 09 16:06:02 <jpr>err | |
| Feb 09 16:06:05 <jpr>string freeze :-) | |
| Feb 09 16:06:21 <jpr>any string changes now require approval as do feature/ui freeze breaks | |
| Feb 09 16:06:25 <fejj>8am too early for ya jp? :) | |
| Feb 09 16:06:37 <jpr>i had a meeting before this even | |
| Feb 09 16:06:42 <fejj>ouch | |
| Feb 09 16:06:53 <jpr>we need to go over the i18n keyword bugs | |
| Feb 09 16:07:08 <jpr>and see what ones are actually going to get fixed this time around | |
| Feb 09 16:07:39 <jpr>if its a simple string change and it was reported by a translation team member it should probably be fixed | |
| Feb 09 16:07:48 <jpr>and i'm sure we'd get approval for it | |
| Feb 09 16:08:04 <jpr>kmaraas can probably back me up on that :-) | |
| Feb 09 16:08:20 <kmaraas>hopefully | |
| Feb 09 16:08:32 <kmaraas>historically christian has been stricter than me wrt those :) | |
| Feb 09 16:08:39 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:08:50 <jpr>several outstanding ones were reported by him | |
| Feb 09 16:09:09 <kmaraas>yeah, I don't think it's going to be a problem if it's done early in the freeze period | |
| Feb 09 16:09:32 <jpr>especially if they are in the typo/grammar/untranslatable category | |
| Feb 09 16:09:36 <jpr>i would think | |
| Feb 09 16:09:53 <kmaraas>yeah | |
| Feb 09 16:09:54 <jpr>now, coinciding with the string freeze we now have patch review mode | |
| Feb 09 16:10:17 <jpr>there are atleast two reviewers in all modules except gtkhtml | |
| Feb 09 16:10:26 <jpr>i need a volunteer for that | |
| Feb 09 16:10:40 <rodo>heh | |
| Feb 09 16:10:43 <jpr>or we have to decide to trust rodo :-) | |
| Feb 09 16:10:55 <jpr>i'm not sure how difficult reviewing some of those patches are | |
| Feb 09 16:11:12 <jpr>any takes? | |
| Feb 09 16:11:16 <jpr>takers even | |
| Feb 09 16:11:17 <rodrigo>we can review the code, but not the functionality I guess | |
| Feb 09 16:11:26 <dobey>i suppose i could review them | |
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| Feb 09 16:11:33 <dobey>or try to help anyway :) | |
| Feb 09 16:11:58 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:12:02 <jpr>rodrigo and dobey it is then | |
| Feb 09 16:12:07 <jpr>rodo: sound ok? | |
| Feb 09 16:12:16 <rodo>yes, thanks guys | |
| Feb 09 16:12:25 <harish>jpr, gw mailer ?? | |
| Feb 09 16:12:34 <dobey>given that i also now maintain gtkkhtml2 :) | |
| Feb 09 16:12:41 <jpr>harish: it was in the note i sent out | |
| Feb 09 16:12:45 <rodrigo>well, as I said I can only have a look at coding mistakes, but yeah, ok :) | |
| Feb 09 16:13:17 <jpr>harish: groupwise in e-d-s is you, chen and siva | |
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| Feb 09 16:13:35 <jpr>harish: as a whole | |
| Feb 09 16:13:44 <jpr>maybe partha instead of siva? | |
| Feb 09 16:14:18 <jpr>2.0.4 timeline | |
| Feb 09 16:14:23 <siva_>jpr, all of us :) | |
| Feb 09 16:14:45 <jpr>ok, we'll organize that after | |
| Feb 09 16:14:50 <jpr>we are still a bit behind on 2.0.4 | |
| Feb 09 16:15:08 -->christine (~christine@130.57.22.69) has joined #evolution-meet | |
| Feb 09 16:15:14 <jpr>however i think we now have most of the fixes modulo 69566 | |
| Feb 09 16:15:18 *harish still associates mailer with evo rather than eds ...sorry i did not see it codewise | |
| Feb 09 16:15:37 <jpr>harish: yah, codewise all gw specific stuff is in e-d-s except for the plugins | |
| Feb 09 16:15:43 <rodrigo>jpr: looking at it, but can't reproduce | |
| Feb 09 16:15:47 <jpr>we discovered the cause of the crash | |
| Feb 09 16:15:54 <jpr>but not the original issue | |
| Feb 09 16:16:04 <jpr>rodrigo: i could get it about 1 time in 5 | |
| Feb 09 16:16:19 <jpr>if i destroyed all the gconf settings and let it guess | |
| Feb 09 16:16:23 <jpr>1.2 | |
| Feb 09 16:16:31 <rodrigo>jpr: did the g_sreturn/e_ereturn change fix the crash | |
| Feb 09 16:16:32 <rodrigo>? | |
| Feb 09 16:16:37 <jpr>(because i had an old bonoboconf thing | |
| Feb 09 16:16:42 <jpr>rodrigo: yes, that fixes the crash | |
| Feb 09 16:16:48 <jpr>however the error still occurs | |
| Feb 09 16:17:16 <jpr>i saw some sort of generic I/O error on the console | |
| Feb 09 16:17:36 <jpr>perhaps its got to do with libical loading the file off disk in a thread | |
| Feb 09 16:17:58 <jpr>we can follow up later | |
| Feb 09 16:18:04 <rodrigo>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:18:12 <jpr>are there any other major 2.0.4 issues we need to get in? | |
| Feb 09 16:18:23 <jpr>we have siva's fix now | |
| Feb 09 16:18:29 <jpr>and the 70590 fix | |
| Feb 09 16:18:36 <jpr>plus the password forgetting fix | |
| Feb 09 16:18:37 <fejj>did nozed ever do that camel-lock-helper fix? | |
| Feb 09 16:18:41 <jpr>yep | |
| Feb 09 16:18:45 <jpr>long time ago | |
| Feb 09 16:18:49 <fejj>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:19:02 <siva_>jpr, i will have one more ldap backend /active dir fix | |
| Feb 09 16:19:06 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:19:07 <siva_>tommoroow | |
| Feb 09 16:19:10 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:19:36 <jpr>surfy_home, christine: are there connector fixes we must take for 2.0.4 over and above the i18n one? | |
| Feb 09 16:19:48 <jpr>oh, the plain text auth fix | |
| Feb 09 16:19:58 <jpr>anything else? | |
| Feb 09 16:20:14 <jpr>christine: note, "must take" not "would like too" :-) | |
| Feb 09 16:20:32 <christine>jpr: are the others that surf said are fixed already in? | |
| Feb 09 16:20:40 <jpr>presumably | |
| Feb 09 16:20:47 <surfy_home>yeah they are in | |
| Feb 09 16:21:03 <jpr>anything other than those already fixed? | |
| Feb 09 16:21:26 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:21:27 <christine>cool!, then i do not think there are more -- others need more info from submitters so we cannot fix what isn't currnety understood | |
| Feb 09 16:21:29 <surfy_home>all fixes have been commtted to gnome-2-8 branch | |
| Feb 09 16:21:35 <jpr>great | |
| Feb 09 16:21:37 <surfy_home>yeah | |
| Feb 09 16:21:42 <surfy_home>still waiting for more info | |
| Feb 09 16:21:43 <jpr>status reports | |
| Feb 09 16:21:52 <jpr>dobey: what ya got for us | |
| Feb 09 16:21:57 <cmeadors>jpr: I was curious about 70046 | |
| Feb 09 16:22:23 <jpr>thats a dupe thats fixed | |
| Feb 09 16:22:29 <dobey>snaps should be at least buildable again after the sonum change for libecal | |
| Feb 09 16:22:30 <cmeadors>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:22:35 <dobey>i rebuilt gnome-panel yesterday | |
| Feb 09 16:22:35 <jpr>cmeadors: not in 2.0.x though | |
| Feb 09 16:22:42 <jpr>only in 2.1 currently | |
| Feb 09 16:22:46 <christine>cmeadors: was this customer reported? | |
| Feb 09 16:22:53 <jpr>dobey: great | |
| Feb 09 16:23:04 <jpr>dobey: what about the context menu patch? | |
| Feb 09 16:23:05 <dobey>and have been triaging some ui/i18n bugs that are assigned to pdes | |
| Feb 09 16:23:20 <dobey>and trying to get release-team to look at the context menus patch to very little avail | |
| Feb 09 16:23:24 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:23:35 <jpr>and are we pretty much done with non-hig related UI issues then for 2.1/2.2? | |
| Feb 09 16:23:41 <cmeadors>christine: yes | |
| Feb 09 16:24:12 <dobey>there are a couple actual bugs that are still there, since i have been trying to get the HIG/freeze stuff done first | |
| Feb 09 16:24:30 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:24:37 <dobey>and there are some bugs that we should probably punt to 2.3 at this point, like the keybindings bug for preview pane | |
| Feb 09 16:24:45 *kmaraas hurries and files a bug for a leak in e-d-s | |
| Feb 09 16:25:01 <jpr>dobey: well, that particular one i'm willing to fix still | |
| Feb 09 16:25:07 <jpr>if there is a good solution | |
| Feb 09 16:25:31 <jpr>fejj: status? | |
| Feb 09 16:26:28 *jpr pokes fejj | |
| Feb 09 16:26:39 <fejj>oh, sorry | |
| Feb 09 16:26:59 <fejj>uh, checked with dave nuttall about the extra linefeed bug in GW IMAP | |
| Feb 09 16:27:14 <fejj>he said that's been fixed in sequoia (sp?) | |
| Feb 09 16:27:28 <fejj>they've also done a lot of speed up fixes | |
| Feb 09 16:27:42 <jpr>are they noticeable for evo? | |
| Feb 09 16:27:42 <fejj>I checked XGWMOVE and we handle that properly | |
| Feb 09 16:27:49 <fejj>yes | |
| Feb 09 16:27:50 <jpr>cool | |
| Feb 09 16:28:19 <jpr>harish: ? | |
| Feb 09 16:28:37 <harish>bug fixing, checking the functionality as well as the top bugs on dmz4, providing | |
| Feb 09 16:29:01 <harish>the server team with traces and working on the null id, attach issues..some patch review | |
| Feb 09 16:29:20 <harish>working on the new interface that allows formulae to be sent to the server | |
| Feb 09 16:29:32 <jpr>right, recurrence formulas | |
| Feb 09 16:29:37 <harish>yup | |
| Feb 09 16:29:45 <jpr>sounds good | |
| Feb 09 16:29:47 <jpr>hpj: status? | |
| Feb 09 16:29:58 <hpj>last week, continued work on OS X port | |
| Feb 09 16:30:15 <hpj>making a reproducible evolution-on-jhbuild walkthrough | |
| Feb 09 16:30:21 <hpj>unfortunately not done yet | |
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| Feb 09 16:30:36 <hpj>and am switching to deal with the address entry auth problem | |
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| Feb 09 16:30:49 <jpr>hpj: how is that coming? | |
| Feb 09 16:30:51 <rodo_>ops, my inet connection broke | |
| Feb 09 16:30:53 <hpj>i also need your (jpr's) blessng for the fix for bug 69583 | |
| Feb 09 16:31:14 <jpr>oh, i thought that had happened | |
| Feb 09 16:31:15 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:31:21 <hpj>well, it *looks* like it shouldn't present a problem | |
| Feb 09 16:31:23 <jpr>hpj: poke me right after this meeting | |
| Feb 09 16:31:29 <hpj>unless i hit a snag i should have it done today | |
| Feb 09 16:31:40 <jpr>ok, sounds good | |
| Feb 09 16:31:56 <hpj>i think that's all | |
| Feb 09 16:32:02 <jpr>in summary | |
| Feb 09 16:32:11 <jpr>os x evo is up and running, right? | |
| Feb 09 16:32:18 <hpj>yeah, it is | |
| Feb 09 16:32:24 <christine>cool | |
| Feb 09 16:32:25 <hpj>but there are 4-5 patches that are not in | |
| Feb 09 16:32:37 <hpj>and i have two for exchange component that i haven't sent yet | |
| Feb 09 16:32:41 <tml>is that under X11 or natively? | |
| Feb 09 16:32:46 <--rodo has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) | |
| Feb 09 16:32:49 <hpj>but it's just trivial stuff | |
| Feb 09 16:32:52 <hpj>tml: X11 | |
| Feb 09 16:32:59 <christine>hpj: blog! blog! blog! :) | |
| Feb 09 16:33:01 <hpj>tml: nowhere near as complicated as your port :) | |
| Feb 09 16:33:10 <christine>heh | |
| Feb 09 16:33:48 <hpj>i delayed the blog entry because i seem to have a problem with the icons right now | |
| Feb 09 16:33:53 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:33:53 <christine>ah | |
| Feb 09 16:34:01 <jpr>it would still be cool though :-) | |
| Feb 09 16:34:07 <jpr>rodo_: status? | |
| Feb 09 16:34:34 <rodo_>bug fixing, some RTL, some general | |
| Feb 09 16:34:43 <jpr>did you get much RTL feed back? | |
| Feb 09 16:34:45 <rodo_>I have now better feedback on RTL | |
| Feb 09 16:34:51 <jpr>great | |
| Feb 09 16:35:09 <rodo_>did gtkhtml release and some reviewing | |
| Feb 09 16:35:33 <jpr>whats the general feeling on it? buggy? | |
| Feb 09 16:35:41 <jpr>or works with minor bugs? | |
| Feb 09 16:35:43 <jpr>or what? | |
| Feb 09 16:35:52 <rodo_>for RTL I was fixing things like citaion on right, indentation fixes, ... | |
| Feb 09 16:36:10 <jpr>dobey: didn't you see issues with tables at one point? are those files? | |
| Feb 09 16:36:38 <rodo_>jpr: well, first responses were like it renders very well, but I cannot use it because of this bug in editing | |
| Feb 09 16:36:39 <dobey>the size allocation issue? | |
| Feb 09 16:37:11 <dobey>i filed it against Mailer, and notzed moved it to GtkHTML | |
| Feb 09 16:37:11 <rodo_>so I went ahead and fixed some and get another problems with rendering and so on | |
| Feb 09 16:37:28 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:37:39 <jpr>rodrigo: status? | |
| Feb 09 16:37:54 <rodrigo>bug fixing and recurrence work, looking at GW recurrences also | |
| Feb 09 16:38:45 <jpr>how is the recurrence stuff now? have you and harish tracked down most of the issues? | |
| Feb 09 16:38:52 <rodrigo>yes, most of them | |
| Feb 09 16:38:56 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:38:59 <rodrigo>there are still a few details to fix | |
| Feb 09 16:39:03 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:39:09 <jpr>siva_: status? | |
| Feb 09 16:39:16 <siva_>jpr, tracked down hk's migration issue and another ldap auth problem with active dir for 2.0.4, fixed some 2.1 bugs , reviewd some patches attached in bugzilla, more 2.1 bug fixing to come | |
| Feb 09 16:39:19 <harish>jpr: there are still a few issues more.. we shud be done with it soon | |
| Feb 09 16:39:32 <jpr>siva_: ok | |
| Feb 09 16:39:42 <jpr>surfy_home: status? | |
| Feb 09 16:40:03 <surfy_home>jpr, 2.0.x bug triaging, fixing, reviews | |
| Feb 09 16:40:12 <surfy_home>and also a few 2.1 fixes | |
| Feb 09 16:40:25 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:40:36 <jpr>tml: status? | |
| Feb 09 16:41:05 <tml>found a workaround for the hang problem, that is not a problem any longer | |
| Feb 09 16:41:17 <jpr>the dbus hang? | |
| Feb 09 16:41:44 <tml>then some more alignment problems, this time changing the idl compiler's output would have been too hairy | |
| Feb 09 16:41:48 <tml>jpr: not dbus, orbit2 | |
| Feb 09 16:41:56 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:42:14 <tml>so for the alignment problems instead changed the dbus code, now works fine | |
| Feb 09 16:42:25 <tml>and the previous idl compiler changes can be reverted | |
| Feb 09 16:42:36 <jpr>changed the orbit2 code you mean? | |
| Feb 09 16:42:36 <tml>s/dbus/orb core/m, sorry... | |
| Feb 09 16:42:40 <tml>yep | |
| Feb 09 16:42:44 <jpr>clearly i confused you :-) | |
| Feb 09 16:42:47 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:42:49 <tml>yeah ;-) | |
| Feb 09 16:43:16 <jpr>tml: we need to talk after this and determine a course of action for the dbus work | |
| Feb 09 16:43:19 <jpr>so we can call it "done" | |
| Feb 09 16:43:21 <tml>mmeeks needs to go through the patch to the orb core though, it's such an essential part of orbit2 | |
| Feb 09 16:43:27 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:43:43 <jpr>tml: are we looking at this for the gnome 2.10 orbit? | |
| Feb 09 16:44:01 <tml>jpr: it might be that the same workaround works also for the hang in dbus, haven't checked | |
| Feb 09 16:44:07 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:44:21 <tml>i think orbit2 is forked for 2.10, i'm working on HEAD | |
| Feb 09 16:44:26 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:44:52 <jpr>gicmo, gekker, kmaraas, seb128, smurfd: any comments, issues? | |
| Feb 09 16:44:56 <tml>will be looking at next dependencies of evo next | |
| Feb 09 16:45:06 <seb128>jpr: yep, this bug : http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=71967 | |
| Feb 09 16:45:16 <gicmo>jpr, nope .. | |
| Feb 09 16:45:24 <kmaraas>jpr, nothing much from me at least | |
| Feb 09 16:45:26 <seb128>jpr: "keep mails on server" doesn't work with 2.1.4/2.1.5 ... which is quite annoying | |
| Feb 09 16:45:27 <gekker>jpr: so you want me to add the groupwise support back in for SuSE 9.3 right? | |
| Feb 09 16:45:36 <kmaraas>jpr, please announce the 2.0.4 release on gnome-i18n though | |
| Feb 09 16:45:51 <jpr>seb128: hmm, ok | |
| Feb 09 16:45:51 <seb128>jpr: is anybody working to fix that ? | |
| Feb 09 16:45:52 <kmaraas>jpr, release *date* | |
| Feb 09 16:45:53 <christine>gekker: yes | |
| Feb 09 16:46:13 <gekker>will do, it isn't in for preview 3 but will be for the next build | |
| Feb 09 16:46:15 <smurfd>not really, just wonder if there is any more info i can give on the bug, 66451 | |
| Feb 09 16:46:29 *jpr sets the milestone to 2.1 so it gets looked at | |
| Feb 09 16:46:34 <seb128>thanks | |
| Feb 09 16:46:39 <gekker>also there are problems with evolution dependencies in preview 3 | |
| Feb 09 16:46:42 <jpr>fejj: i would guess it might not remember/use the setting? | |
| Feb 09 16:46:44 <gekker>i have to track that down as well | |
| Feb 09 16:46:51 <jpr>fejj: since the actual pop code didn't really change | |
| Feb 09 16:47:40 <surfy_home>jpr, we need to plan on changing the package name for exchange connector for 2.1 ? | |
| Feb 09 16:47:55 <jpr>or its a gmail issue | |
| Feb 09 16:48:07 <christine>surfy_home: good point. you mean to remove the "ximian" name, right? we do | |
| Feb 09 16:48:14 <jpr>surfy_home: yes, we should probably get that done | |
| Feb 09 16:48:30 <surfy_home>christine, jpr : yeah, evolution-exchange or something | |
| Feb 09 16:48:37 <christine>that sounds good to me | |
| Feb 09 16:48:43 <gekker>if you do that let me know so i can change the naming in SuSE 9.3 | |
| Feb 09 16:48:44 <jpr>we might need to update snaps for that | |
| Feb 09 16:48:46 <gekker>the sooner the better | |
| Feb 09 16:48:46 <dobey>that's what we renamed it to when we made it GPL :) | |
| Feb 09 16:48:52 <dobey>we just never renamed the tarballs/etc... | |
| Feb 09 16:48:58 <christine>ah | |
| Feb 09 16:49:02 <dobey>and yes, we would need to update snaps | |
| Feb 09 16:49:09 <gekker>also, do you want me to enable anything different than the default plugins? | |
| Feb 09 16:49:10 <surfy_home>dobey, yeah .. the pkg name needs to change | |
| Feb 09 16:49:21 <jpr>gekker: is that still doable for 9.3? | |
| Feb 09 16:49:35 <jpr>any other business? | |
| Feb 09 16:49:37 <dobey>and the gnome-i18n team will need to update the translation status pages to use the right pot file | |
| Feb 09 16:49:42 <jpr>dobey: right | |
| Feb 09 16:49:45 <gekker>the rename? yes, i'm quite sure it is | |
| Feb 09 16:50:28 <jpr>any other business? | |
| Feb 09 16:50:48 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 09 16:50:51 <jpr>thanks everyone | |
| Feb 09 16:50:56 <christine>thx jp | |
| Feb 09 16:50:58 <jpr>rodrigo will be posting the log/minutes | |
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| Feb 09 16:51:10 <harish>thx | |
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