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| Feb 16 10:02:19 <jpr>hi guys | |
| Feb 16 10:02:25 <fejj>hi | |
| Feb 16 10:02:32 <jpr>it'll be a couple more minutes | |
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| Feb 16 10:04:38 <seb128>hi | |
| Feb 16 10:04:41 <jpr>hi | |
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| Feb 16 10:05:07 <rodo>hi all | |
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| Feb 16 10:07:46 <jpr>ok, lets roll | |
| Feb 16 10:07:57 <jpr>2.1 development status | |
| Feb 16 10:08:22 <jpr>as you know we only have 12 days to hard code freeze and then one week after that is release | |
| Feb 16 10:08:35 <jpr>we're in string, ui, feature freeze | |
| Feb 16 10:08:52 <jpr>what we'll probably do is work on 2.2.1 in parallel during that extra week | |
| Feb 16 10:09:03 <jpr>as in the 2.0 cycle | |
| Feb 16 10:09:21 <jpr>essentially we will create a gnome-2-10 branch on feb 28 | |
| Feb 16 10:09:34 <jpr>and head will be 2.2.1 until 2.2.0 comes out | |
| Feb 16 10:09:45 <jpr>then head will be merged down into the branch | |
| Feb 16 10:09:56 <jpr>and head will then become 2.3 | |
| Feb 16 10:10:06 <jpr>sound right to everyone? | |
| Feb 16 10:10:17 <dobey>sounds good | |
| Feb 16 10:10:19 <fejj>yep | |
| Feb 16 10:10:22 <rodo>yes | |
| Feb 16 10:10:35 <harish>yes | |
| Feb 16 10:10:38 <jpr>just a reminder about notifications | |
| Feb 16 10:10:48 <jpr>well not just notifications | |
| Feb 16 10:10:50 <jpr>approvals | |
| Feb 16 10:10:54 <jpr>for string/ui freezes | |
| Feb 16 10:11:03 <jpr>MarkM: hard code freeze does not apply to docs | |
| Feb 16 10:11:11 <jpr>we can take those right up to release | |
| Feb 16 10:11:24 <MarkM>k | |
| Feb 16 10:11:25 <jpr>also a reminder we are in patch review mode | |
| Feb 16 10:11:33 <jpr>see the mail i sent out last week | |
| Feb 16 10:11:35 <jpr>as a side note | |
| Feb 16 10:11:42 <jpr>i have 2.0.4 ready to roll out | |
| Feb 16 10:12:03 <jpr>barring any inspiration from siva, rodrigo, harish and myself on a better fix for 69566 | |
| Feb 16 10:12:10 <jpr>for which we've fixed the crash | |
| Feb 16 10:12:37 <jpr>but there are some bugs we can't figure out exactly what occurred to make e-d-s fail | |
| Feb 16 10:12:49 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:12:51 <jpr>status reports | |
| Feb 16 10:12:54 <jpr>dobey: ? | |
| Feb 16 10:13:59 <jpr>fejj: status? | |
| Feb 16 10:14:04 <dobey>yeah, sent in a couple more patches, one for data/Makefile.am that is a simple build fix | |
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| Feb 16 10:14:42 <dobey>sent the context menus patch to michael so he can see what is going on with the status bar and crashing, and got a patch back from him for e-popup.c that I need to test | |
| Feb 16 10:14:52 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:14:54 <jpr>dobey: snaps are busted because they depend on gnome-pilot 2.0.10 explicitly | |
| Feb 16 10:14:55 <fejj>fixed a composer bug yesterday | |
| Feb 16 10:15:00 <fejj>about attachments | |
| Feb 16 10:15:03 <jpr>2.0.12 is in the channel now | |
| Feb 16 10:15:10 <dobey>hrmm | |
| Feb 16 10:15:12 <dobey>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:15:12 <jpr>fejj: ok | |
| Feb 16 10:15:23 <fejj>sent in a patch for XGWMOVE which has been sittinjg in my tree for 2 weeks... | |
| Feb 16 10:15:30 <dobey>i'll look at that then | |
| Feb 16 10:15:36 <jpr>dobey: thanks | |
| Feb 16 10:15:37 <fejj>reviewed patches | |
| Feb 16 10:15:41 <fejj>that's about it :) | |
| Feb 16 10:16:00 <jpr>fejj: could you make sure you follow up on the showstopper bug related to GW offline mode? | |
| Feb 16 10:16:06 <jpr>71456 | |
| Feb 16 10:16:09 <fejj>sure | |
| Feb 16 10:16:18 <jpr>fejj: we confirmed that he had sync remotely turned on | |
| Feb 16 10:16:27 <jpr>thanks | |
| Feb 16 10:16:30 <jpr>harish: ? | |
| Feb 16 10:16:33 <harish>bug fixes, super lab troubleshooting, gw server/evo mailer and calendar issues, some regression, some patch review and (sigh) slow progress on the recurrence issues. planning to drop everything till the time i am done with the gw recurrences | |
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| Feb 16 10:16:41 <fejj>jpr: ok | |
| Feb 16 10:16:58 <jpr>harish: ok | |
| Feb 16 10:17:03 <jpr>speaking of superlab all | |
| Feb 16 10:17:10 *tml is sorry for being late, was out playing with his daughter | |
| Feb 16 10:17:30 <jpr>sending mail every 15 minutes with 350 clients works for 40-60 hours with evo | |
| Feb 16 10:17:48 <jpr>it only fails because it starts to take an eternity to show the composer window | |
| Feb 16 10:18:00 <jpr>it *looks* like the slow down is in the bonobo ref code | |
| Feb 16 10:18:17 <jpr>if anyone is interested i have the scripts now to automate this from the superlab guys | |
| Feb 16 10:18:28 <jpr>hpj: status? | |
| Feb 16 10:18:34 *harish wishes to add the mails carry good amt of attachments too | |
| Feb 16 10:18:43 <jpr>right | |
| Feb 16 10:18:44 <hpj>fixing the "auth on name selector" issue, moving e-passwords to e-d-s, some OS X bickering | |
| Feb 16 10:18:49 <hpj>not much else, i guess | |
| Feb 16 10:18:55 <jpr>the randomly attach 0-5 items | |
| Feb 16 10:19:07 <jpr>hpj: what is the status of evo 2.1 and fink? | |
| Feb 16 10:19:14 <harish>jpr: pl. do send me the scripts | |
| Feb 16 10:19:19 <jpr>harish: ok | |
| Feb 16 10:19:45 <hpj>jpr: basically the maintainer of that isn't doing much | |
| Feb 16 10:20:10 <hpj>jpr: probably too busy to work on it | |
| Feb 16 10:20:24 <jpr>hpj: we need to figure out how to get evo/gnome 2.10 out to the world then, during march | |
| Feb 16 10:20:35 <jpr>MarkM: anything for us? | |
| Feb 16 10:20:45 <MarkM>not really | |
| Feb 16 10:20:59 <MarkM>I was wondering if there is a list of what everyone is working on | |
| Feb 16 10:21:06 <MarkM>So that I stop bugging just JP | |
| Feb 16 10:21:11 <jpr>hehe | |
| Feb 16 10:21:27 <jpr>MarkM: i can provide you with that | |
| Feb 16 10:21:31 <jpr>ping me after this | |
| Feb 16 10:21:36 <MarkM>okay | |
| Feb 16 10:21:41 <jpr>NotZed: status? | |
| Feb 16 10:22:12 <NotZed>hmm, bug fixing, stuck doing some e-config work | |
| Feb 16 10:22:18 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:22:50 <jpr>NotZed: i guess we need to confirm what plugins exactly we are shipping | |
| Feb 16 10:23:08 <NotZed>right | |
| Feb 16 10:23:23 <jpr>NotZed: maybe we need an "experimental" category as well? | |
| Feb 16 10:23:32 <NotZed>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:23:41 <jpr>i don't know, just guessing | |
| Feb 16 10:23:54 <jpr>i'd see experimental as a set that distros don't really ship | |
| Feb 16 10:24:02 <jpr>but people compiling the source code enable | |
| Feb 16 10:24:25 <NotZed>hmm, yeah ok, i guess that could work | |
| Feb 16 10:24:27 <jpr>if anyone wants one of their plugins moved to this category, let notzed know | |
| Feb 16 10:24:58 <jpr>NotZed: its just that plugins_all has alot of useful ones mixed up with some not so useful ones atm i think | |
| Feb 16 10:25:08 <fejj>my unsubscribe plugin probablky should be experimental | |
| Feb 16 10:25:18 <jpr>same with my backup-restore | |
| Feb 16 10:25:22 <NotZed>yeah, fair enough | |
| Feb 16 10:25:33 <jpr>rodo: status? | |
| Feb 16 10:26:17 <jpr>siva_: status? | |
| Feb 16 10:26:26 <hpj>[ in the worst case, we can distribute a tarred up /opt/gnome-2.10 for OS X ] | |
| Feb 16 10:26:42 <jpr>hpj: ok | |
| Feb 16 10:26:50 <siva_>jpr, bug fixing and more bug fixing that's all | |
| Feb 16 10:26:57 <jpr>ok :-) | |
| Feb 16 10:27:03 <jpr>tml: status? | |
| Feb 16 10:27:12 <tml>finishing touches to ORBit2, fixing up dbus after its changes underneath, ported libbonobo | |
| Feb 16 10:27:41 <tml>dbus still small troubles, libbonobo mostly ok | |
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| Feb 16 10:27:59 <jpr>nice | |
| Feb 16 10:28:02 <rodo_>ops, my connection went down again | |
| Feb 16 10:28:32 <jpr>tml: any feedback on the sourceforge project? | |
| Feb 16 10:28:39 <jpr>are they following along or trying it out? | |
| Feb 16 10:28:50 <tml>the guys there have been very quiet | |
| Feb 16 10:29:15 <jpr>get a cvs account for dbus yet? | |
| Feb 16 10:29:24 <jpr>vivek: status? | |
| Feb 16 10:29:27 <vivek>been working on soap mailer bugs,found issues with the server, communicated to tim,provided soap traces, I have been able to categorize bugs that could be fixed once some issues with the server get resolved | |
| Feb 16 10:29:28 <tml>except for one who i think was tring to use MS VIsual Studio 2003, which would be hopeless currently | |
| Feb 16 10:29:53 <tml>cvs yep, today they finally got it 100% ok, | |
| Feb 16 10:30:25 <jpr>cmeadors: anything for us? | |
| Feb 16 10:30:35 <jpr>seb128: anything for us? | |
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| Feb 16 10:31:07 <jpr>oh, fejj/notzed: did any one look at the pop not doing keep on server bug seb128 brought up last week? | |
| Feb 16 10:31:13 <jpr>rodo: oh, and your status :-) | |
| Feb 16 10:31:20 <seb128>nothing really new ... somebody working to fix the "keep mails on server" for POP account (perhaps fixed in the CVS ?) ? | |
| Feb 16 10:31:22 <rodo>:) | |
| Feb 16 10:31:35 <rodo>bugfixing, mostly rendering bugs | |
| Feb 16 10:31:39 <jpr>seb128: 2.1 only right? | |
| Feb 16 10:31:43 <seb128>yep | |
| Feb 16 10:31:52 <fejj>no, havn't looked at that | |
| Feb 16 10:32:00 <jpr>seb128: what was the number? | |
| Feb 16 10:32:03 <seb128>and quoting broken with 2.1.5, dunno if that's known | |
| Feb 16 10:32:04 <NotZed>rings a bell but only a faint one | |
| Feb 16 10:32:06 <rodo>spent a lot time with memory being overwritten in cursor down function | |
| Feb 16 10:32:18 <jpr>rodo: is that solved now? | |
| Feb 16 10:32:21 <rodo>finally find that | |
| Feb 16 10:32:23 <seb128>http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=71967 | |
| Feb 16 10:33:06 <jpr>seb128: can you get a camel debug trace for that? | |
| Feb 16 10:33:08 <rodo>the overwritting doesn't happen anymore, but I still have to fix the functionality | |
| Feb 16 10:33:13 <seb128>jpr: sure | |
| Feb 16 10:33:18 <jpr>thanks | |
| Feb 16 10:33:20 <jpr>rodo: ok | |
| Feb 16 10:33:35 <seb128>jpr: and the "cannot copy/cut/paste" in header fields is annoying too | |
| Feb 16 10:33:49 <jpr>ike, smurfd: anything you'd like to add? | |
| Feb 16 10:33:58 <ike>Just here to listen | |
| Feb 16 10:34:09 <smurfd>not that i can think of, just listening too.. | |
| Feb 16 10:34:11 <rodo>also looked into how to use keymap direction for rtl in gtkhtml and how to best save direction to html source | |
| Feb 16 10:34:24 <dobey>seb128: you mean in the mail display? | |
| Feb 16 10:34:25 <jpr>rodo: for drafts or something? | |
| Feb 16 10:34:40 <rodo>don't have a code for that yet | |
| Feb 16 10:34:42 <NotZed>dobey: in the composer by the looks | |
| Feb 16 10:35:04 <dobey>you can copy/cut/paste in the composer afaik | |
| Feb 16 10:35:06 <seb128>dobey: the copy/... ? no, in the composer To:/Cc:/... | |
| Feb 16 10:35:09 <jpr>ah | |
| Feb 16 10:35:12 <rodo>jpr: well, there's a bug for some mailers not being able to display rtl right without explicit html tags for direction | |
| Feb 16 10:35:13 <NotZed>dobey: i tried it, doesn't work here | |
| Feb 16 10:35:14 <jpr>thats hpj | |
| Feb 16 10:35:16 <NotZed>i just | |
| Feb 16 10:35:17 <seb128>dobey: try to select and cut, that does nothinh | |
| Feb 16 10:35:19 <seb128>nothing | |
| Feb 16 10:35:26 <dobey>hrmm | |
| Feb 16 10:35:35 <dobey>oh | |
| Feb 16 10:35:39 <dobey>i wonder why that is | |
| Feb 16 10:35:40 <seb128>http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=71922 | |
| Feb 16 10:35:47 <jpr>yah, i see it too | |
| Feb 16 10:35:47 <seb128>since 2.1.4 | |
| Feb 16 10:35:54 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:35:56 <jpr>thanks | |
| Feb 16 10:36:02 <dobey>it's since we switched the widget, yeah | |
| Feb 16 10:36:02 <jpr>also | |
| Feb 16 10:36:12 <dobey>but it's a GtkEntry, so it should be handled in GTK+ i would think | |
| Feb 16 10:36:14 <dobey>oh well | |
| Feb 16 10:36:45 <dobey>maybe we aren't returning the right boolean value for the right-click handling | |
| Feb 16 10:36:47 <seb128>the quoting code is broken too with 2.1.5, dunno if that's known/already fixed. (the > are not moved correctly when you try to add empty lines in a reply) | |
| Feb 16 10:37:03 <rodo>that's fixed already | |
| Feb 16 10:37:08 <seb128>dobey: doesn't work with ctrl-X/ctrl-C neither | |
| Feb 16 10:37:13 <seb128>rodo: k, thanks | |
| Feb 16 10:37:14 <jpr>seb128: yah, its a redraw issue | |
| Feb 16 10:37:28 <jpr>and the future roadmap discussion | |
| Feb 16 10:37:34 <jpr>christine has been ill | |
| Feb 16 10:37:49 <jpr>so that discussion didn't get started, i'll probably kick it off on e-h anyhow | |
| Feb 16 10:37:50 <dobey>weird | |
| Feb 16 10:38:03 <jpr>anyone have anything else they want to cover? | |
| Feb 16 10:38:12 <hpj>oh, i know why the cut/copy/paste doesn't work | |
| Feb 16 10:38:22 <hpj>it clears the selection on focus-out | |
| Feb 16 10:38:37 <dobey>sweet | |
| Feb 16 10:38:51 <hpj>there was a request to clear the selection made by autocompletion at some point | |
| Feb 16 10:39:00 <jpr>why would that matter if its in the clipboard? | |
| Feb 16 10:39:11 <rodo>the c'n'p is old thing I guess, the menu items belong to gtkhtml control so the bindings ends in body | |
| Feb 16 10:39:22 <hpj>it clears the selection when the right-click menu comes up | |
| Feb 16 10:39:45 <jpr>hpj: ok, so you know the cause :-) | |
| Feb 16 10:39:46 <dobey>rodo: yeah, the keys do, but the context menu doesn't | |
| Feb 16 10:40:10 <jpr>LAST CALL FOR OTHER BUSINESS | |
| Feb 16 10:40:13 <hpj>hm, and there's probably another bug in keyboard input preventing it from passing through ctrl-c/x/v | |
| Feb 16 10:40:26 <jpr>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:40:29 <jpr>thanks everyone | |
| Feb 16 10:40:31 <dobey>hpj: no, that's because the menus own those keys | |
| Feb 16 10:40:32 <NotZed>any guidelines for netmail hacking? | |
| Feb 16 10:40:36 <jpr>oh | |
| Feb 16 10:40:37 <jpr>hackfest | |
| Feb 16 10:40:40 <NotZed>or whatever its called | |
| Feb 16 10:40:42 <jpr>i nearly forgot | |
| Feb 16 10:40:45 <dobey>hula | |
| Feb 16 10:40:45 <fejj>hula :) | |
| Feb 16 10:40:46 <jpr>"hula: | |
| Feb 16 10:41:00 <NotZed>"you gotta jump thruogh hoops to make it work", nice name choice. | |
| Feb 16 10:41:02 <hpj>dobey: how come they don't get passed through, then? | |
| Feb 16 10:41:10 <jpr>NotZed: hah | |
| Feb 16 10:41:15 <jpr>http://www.hula-project.org/ | |
| Feb 16 10:41:19 <dobey>hpj: the menus own the c-c/x/v bindings, so they don't get passed through to other widgets in gtk+, because the binding ordering is top-down | |
| Feb 16 10:41:19 <fejj>same thing I thought actually :) | |
| Feb 16 10:41:39 <jpr>no specific guidelines other than to try and get it up and going and just hack around | |
| Feb 16 10:41:42 <dobey>hpj: it's just the way gtk+ works :-/ | |
| Feb 16 10:41:48 <jpr>i mean, try to connect evo to it :-) | |
| Feb 16 10:41:56 <jpr>but nothing specific other than that | |
| Feb 16 10:41:57 <NotZed>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:42:02 <hpj>dobey: so then i don't know why it doesn't work | |
| Feb 16 10:42:04 <jpr>#hula on irc.freednode.net | |
| Feb 16 10:42:13 <NotZed>groan, another chat server | |
| Feb 16 10:42:16 <dobey>hpj: well, that's why the keys don't work in the entry widgets | |
| Feb 16 10:42:25 <hpj>dobey: oh | |
| Feb 16 10:42:26 <rodo>jpr: what do you mean by hack around? | |
| Feb 16 10:42:27 <dobey>hpj: and the selection clearing is why the mouse doesn't work i guess | |
| Feb 16 10:42:45 <dobey>hpj: so all we can really fix there, is the mouse | |
| Feb 16 10:42:52 <jpr>rodo: find build problems, try stuff out in the web interface, send patches, create bugs | |
| Feb 16 10:42:59 <jpr>you know, hackfest :-) | |
| Feb 16 10:42:59 <hpj>dobey: so we simply can't make ctrl-c/x/v work in entries then :/ | |
| Feb 16 10:43:02 <hpj>dobey: thanks | |
| Feb 16 10:43:08 <dobey>hpj: sure | |
| Feb 16 10:43:11 <rodo>okie :) | |
| Feb 16 10:43:19 <jpr>hpj: uh, why not? | |
| Feb 16 10:43:28 <jpr>we can continue this in #evolution | |
| Feb 16 10:43:34 <jpr>meeting over | |
| Feb 16 10:43:35 <jpr>thanks all | |
| Feb 16 10:43:36 <dobey>ok | |
| Feb 16 10:43:37 <hpj>yeah | |
| Feb 16 10:43:39 <dobey>later | |
| Feb 16 10:43:42 <hpj>later | |
| Feb 16 10:43:45 <rodo>see you | |
| Feb 16 10:43:46 <tml>bye | |
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| Feb 16 10:43:53 <smurfd>later | |
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