May 06 06:04 <srag> Hello everyone

May 06 06:04 <srag> we had 2.27.1 tarball out on Monday, our first unstable release on 2.27.x cycle

May 06 06:05 <srag> and now on, Im expecting mbarnes|away to merge his KB is small chunks :-)

May 06 06:05 <srag> and I would be merging my Anjal patches on stable/trunk this week

May 06 06:05 <mcrha> really on stable too?

May 06 06:05 <srag> otherwise, my tasks go so deep in Anjal for the next 3 weeks atleast

May 06 06:05 <srag> mcrha, yeah

May 06 06:05 <mcrha> isn't it rather feature or something under freeze?

May 06 06:06 <srag> mcrha, that was my question last week

May 06 06:06 <srag> mcrha, it won't be adding any features

May 06 06:06 <srag> just some apis for Evolution and EDS

May 06 06:06 <mcrha> strange, I missed that question, hrm

May 06 06:06 <jony> srag, we may have to look for any strings .. that may be a issue ..

May 06 06:06 <srag> jony, right, I dont think it would add much

May 06 06:06 <abharath> srag: auto-filling your server details ain't a feature??

May 06 06:06 <srag> apart from the existing ones

May 06 06:06 <mcrha> srag, api adding? or api change?

May 06 06:06 <srag> abharath, no ;-)

May 06 06:07 <srag> mcrha, some new apis

May 06 06:07 <abharath> okies :D

May 06 06:07 <srag> no changes

May 06 06:07 <srag> abharath, it would be transparent

May 06 06:07 <mcrha> srag, anyway, go the safe side, master only

May 06 06:07 <srag> mcrha, right, but these shouldn't harm the evo's execution path

May 06 06:07 <mcrha> wanna bet?

May 06 06:07 <srag> meaning, Evo shouldn't have much harm, due to these changes

May 06 06:07 <abharath> haha

May 06 06:07 <srag> mcrha, no, ;-)

May 06 06:08 <mcrha> one harm is enough, ask seb128 ;)

May 06 06:08 <srag> anyways, moving ahead

May 06 06:08 <srag> abharath, anything to share with us ?

May 06 06:08 <srag> mcrha, whatz taht ?

May 06 06:08 <mcrha> not me, ask seb128 ;)

May 06 06:08 <abharath> srag: nope nothing much

May 06 06:08 <srag> mcrha, seb128 ?

May 06 06:08 <seb128> what?

May 06 06:08 <srag> Fridrich, anything to share with us ?

May 06 06:09 <mcrha> seb128, pushing new things to stable

May 06 06:09 <Fridrich> srag: my children, for holiday, if you want

May 06 06:09 <seb128> that's not a good idea

May 06 06:09 <srag> :)

May 06 06:09 <srag> jkerihuel, anything to share with us ?

May 06 06:09 <srag> seb128, we can discuss it out.

May 06 06:09 <seb128> why not you don't start by trying to make stable usable?

May 06 06:09 <kerihuel> srag: nothing this week

May 06 06:09 <seb128> right

May 06 06:09 <Fridrich> just that evo 2.26.1 with all the up-2-date gnome stack is built in my repo

May 06 06:09 <srag> thx

May 06 06:09 <srag> Fridrich, awesome, do you have a setup.exe ready ?

May 06 06:09 <srag> we must host it somewhere

May 06 06:10 <Fridrich> srag: no, I never have setup.exe, only evolution-%version.msi but did not do that as for now

May 06 06:10 <srag> Fridrich, that would also do :-)

May 06 06:10 <srag> we need to have the installers hosted somewhere

May 06 06:10 <abharath> Fridrich: now that I have merged all your patches to master a .27.1 should be ok :D

May 06 06:10 <srag> Fridrich, just a discussion that popped out, while chatting with michael

May 06 06:10 <jony> srag, why not gnome ftp ?

May 06 06:11 <srag> Fridrich, we may not have the bonobo port for EDS/ once dbus merge is done

May 06 06:11 <srag> the cost of carrying around bonobo would be more than finishing dbus on windows ;-)

May 06 06:11 <Fridrich> srag: the problem is that dbus4win is for the while a lot of talk only

May 06 06:11 <srag> lakhil, anything to share with us

May 06 06:11 <lakhil> srag, nothing much ..

May 06 06:11 <srag> Fridrich, oh, we can take it offline wiht michael

May 06 06:12 <srag> mcrha, anything to share with us ?

May 06 06:12 <mcrha> following the group, nothing special, last week passed too quickly here

May 06 06:12 <srag> :)

May 06 06:12 <srag> seb128, anything to share with us ?

May 06 06:13 <seb128> I'm a bit concerned about the stable versions quality

May 06 06:13 <srag> seb128, oh

May 06 06:13 <seb128> nobody in the hacker team is using stable

May 06 06:13 <srag> hacker-team = us ?

May 06 06:13 <seb128> 2.26.1 is not usable for many users and most of replies are "it works on trunk"

May 06 06:13 *srag is on 2.26.1

May 06 06:13 <seb128> yes

May 06 06:13 <Fridrich> yeah, on win32 too, I have subjective impression that it is a bit more unstable then 2.24.5 wa

May 06 06:13 <seb128> well you are busy on anjal apparently

May 06 06:14 <srag> seb128, but I still use evolution for mails

May 06 06:14 <seb128> it's not possible to edit recurrent events in calendar on 2.26.1 for example

May 06 06:14 <srag> seb128, if you have the bugs, just lemme know

May 06 06:14 <srag> seb128, the one you gave last week ?

May 06 06:14 <seb128> seems it's fixed in git now but nobody rolled a tarball and it took me a week of pings to chen to know that

May 06 06:14 <seb128> yes

May 06 06:14 <Fridrich> and given the dbus stuff, I will have to stay with 2.26.x for the while in win32

May 06 06:14 <srag> Fridrich, lets discuss it later

May 06 06:15 <seb128> which means most distributions are shipping an evolution version where the calendar destroy recurrent events when trying to edit those

May 06 06:15 <seb128> or display those wrongly on the calendar view

May 06 06:15 <srag> ok

May 06 06:15 <srag> was it a regression from 2.26.0 ?

May 06 06:15 <srag> or 2.24.x ?

May 06 06:16 <seb128> it was not buggy in 2.24 for sure

May 06 06:16 <seb128> dunno about 2.26.0

May 06 06:16 <srag> it would be bad, if stable was neglected while commiting to 2.27.x

May 06 06:16 <srag> is that the case?

May 06 06:16 <seb128> yes

May 06 06:16 <mcrha> one issue with displaying it "backend busy" when generating instances. when that happen, no items are shown

May 06 06:16 <srag> thatz not fair, and I understand

May 06 06:17 <srag> seb128, atleast, when we review patches, anything that is not risky, and no UI changes, is always recommended for stable

May 06 06:17 <seb128> and it seems than most hackers don't have a 2.26 running to look at those issue

May 06 06:17 <srag> I donno what happened here..

May 06 06:17 <seb128> ie chen had to do a 2.26 build to look at the issue and didn't get it because he used git and not tarballs still

May 06 06:17 <seb128> srag: well in this case the fix is in git but there is no tarball which means most user still get the bug

May 06 06:18 <mcrha> seb128, did you verify the fix helped?

May 06 06:18 <seb128> mcrha: yes

May 06 06:18 <mcrha> ok

May 06 06:18 <seb128> I just get a one hour shift now which is probably a different issue

May 06 06:18 <seb128> but events are edited correctly

May 06 06:18 <srag> seb128, we make tarballs for very critical things..

May 06 06:18 <srag> apart from the regular cycles for stables

May 06 06:19 <seb128> I will backport the fix to ubuntu

May 06 06:19 <srag> if it was critical enough, I should be informed...

May 06 06:19 <srag> otherwise, its gonna get difficult :(

May 06 06:19 <mcrha> seb128, "Adjust for daylight saving time"? should be checked

May 06 06:19 <seb128> but having evolution calendar not being able to edit a recurrent is sort of a showstopper

May 06 06:19 <seb128> mcrha: yes

May 06 06:20 <mcrha> ok

May 06 06:20 <seb128> srag: it's just that it's hard to "sell" evolution to users when basic things as editing calendar events is not working

May 06 06:20 <srag> seb128, I understand

May 06 06:21 <mcrha> seb128, by the way, I wouldn't expect the patch there be of a help, as it was, from my point of view, rather a rewrite, not fix of something concrete

May 06 06:21 <srag> seb128, I can take some measures, and lets see

May 06 06:21 <seb128> sorry for the ranting

May 06 06:21 <srag> seb128, its fine, but with a small team and a building pressure for every one, things are getting tough

May 06 06:21 <seb128> right

May 06 06:21 <seb128> but you should focus some efforts on make stable version work correctly imho

May 06 06:22 <seb128> rather than rush on new cracks

May 06 06:22 <mcrha> :)

May 06 06:22 <seb128> because otherwise you will not have lot of users left running your software

May 06 06:22 <srag> sure.

May 06 06:22 <mcrha> it might be even harder with all the gnome3 rewrites

May 06 06:23 <srag> :)

May 06 06:23 <seb128> yeah ...

May 06 06:23 <seb128> anyway enough ranting

May 06 06:23 <mcrha> seb128, scary that you?

May 06 06:23 <seb128> but such issues damage the evolution reputation

May 06 06:24 <seb128> mcrha: no, distros can still keep 2.26 as a stable version until newer version fell stable enough

May 06 06:24 <srag> ok.

May 06 06:24 <mcrha> yeah, ok, then it scary at least me

May 06 06:24 <srag> anything else to duscuss ?

May 06 06:24 <srag> s/duscuss/discuss

May 06 06:25 <srag> Ok guys, see you all next week.