Nov 19 10:35 <chen> Before going through the agenda sent over to the e-h list..

Nov 19 10:35 <chen> there is some exiting news!!

Nov 19 10:36 <mcrha> abharath, nope, chen did today :)

Nov 19 10:36 <chen> we have been talking about having mailer in EDS for a long time

Nov 19 10:36 <chen> Its a pleasure to introduce treitter (Travis Reitter), jonner  (Jonathon Jongsma ) from collabora

Nov 19 10:36 <chen> who are going to make this a reality!!

Nov 19 10:36 <jony> woohoo !!

Nov 19 10:37 <chen> hi jonner and treitter!!

Nov 19 10:37 <abharath> yay :) sounds great :) welcome guys

Nov 19 10:37 <jony> hello hello treitter and jonner

Nov 19 10:37 <mcrha> hi both

Nov 19 10:37 <jonner> hi

Nov 19 10:37 <treitter> yup, should be a nice change

Nov 19 10:37 <chen> they will be soon sharing the design aspects in the wiki and e-h list with everyone!!

Nov 19 10:38 <chen> its just so awesome to have new people and with some exiting new things in evo!!

Nov 19 10:38 <jonner> yeah, looking forward to working with all of you more closely

Nov 19 10:38 <jony> chen: so when are we targetting this feature ?

Nov 19 10:39 <lakhil> Can we expect it to be done by gnome 3.0 ? :)   /me excited

Nov 19 10:39 <chen> they are going through the design aspects right now and more I will leave the floor to them to reply :)

Nov 19 10:39 <chen> jonner, treitter ^^

Nov 19 10:40 <jonner> gnome 3.0 is next september, so I think that's definitely acheivable

Nov 19 10:40 <lakhil> sounds great

Nov 19 10:40 <chen> that will be awesome!!

Nov 19 10:40 *abharath claps :) waiting for the design eagerly

Nov 19 10:40 *chen is just exited to see apps like mail-notify running in panel using mailer in eds :)

Nov 19 10:41 <chen> see/imagine atm :)

Nov 19 10:41 <chen> So now lets move on with the agenda we have for this meeting

Nov 19 10:41 <chen> the first in the list is,

Nov 19 10:41 <chen> the current blockers we have..

Nov 19 10:42 <chen> we have around 16 blockers across evo, eds, evo-ex and mapi..

Nov 19 10:42 <chen> some have taken too many iterations but had not got the closure yet..

Nov 19 10:42 <chen> what would be the best way to go about them ?

Nov 19 10:43 *chen thinks the first step might be to get a name assigned to each one of them..

Nov 19 10:43 <jony> chen: okies. may work.

Nov 19 10:43 <chen> and look into it first to get a closure than targetting any other ones..

Nov 19 10:44 <abharath> chen: let each one pick up what works for him :)

Nov 19 10:44 <chen> if some bugs do not belong to the blocker category they should be removed

Nov 19 10:44 <chen> having the blocker tag means they are the top-most bugs which needs to be looked at..

Nov 19 10:44 <chen> I see a lot of bugs with assignees as maintainers..

Nov 19 10:45 *chen feels mbarnes has missed the time ?

Nov 19 10:45 <chen> abharath, agree!

Nov 19 10:45 <chen> abharath, I see one assigned to varadhan in exchange :)

Nov 19 10:45 <chen> mcrha, what do you think?

Nov 19 10:45 <mbarnes> chen: no, I'm here

Nov 19 10:46 <chen> ah ok

Nov 19 10:46 <mcrha> depends on a respective bug.

Nov 19 10:46 *EvaSDK (eva@APuteaux-554-1-28-22.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #evolution-meet

Nov 19 10:46 <chen> mcrha, yup, we have the freedom to choose bugs :)

Nov 19 10:47 <chen> but it would be good if all the blockers are booked with a name..

Nov 19 10:47 <mcrha> yeah, sort of "freedom"

Nov 19 10:47 <chen> so that we are clear who is reponsible for getting it closed..

Nov 19 10:47 <mcrha> lakhil is good in closing bugs :)

Nov 19 10:47 <chen> we have been having the blockers for quite sometime and release with them is not so good..

Nov 19 10:47 <chen> lol

Nov 19 10:48 <abharath> mcrha: :D

Nov 19 10:48 <lakhil> mcrha: blockers should be closed as resolved fixed :P

Nov 19 10:48 <chen> mbarnes, do u have something else in mind ?

Nov 19 10:48 *mcrha closed one as a duplicate of the other yesterday or so

Nov 19 10:49 *chen is worried about the disk-summary bugs which has stayed for quite sometime now

Nov 19 10:49 <andre> me too.

Nov 19 10:49 <mbarnes> chen: I'm fine with assigning blocker bugs.  we need to be careful of disgruntled users promoting severity themselves though

Nov 19 10:50 <mcrha> yeah, definitely

Nov 19 10:50 <chen> jony, with respect to mapi,

Nov 19 10:50 <mcrha> will the mailer movement to eds change anything there?

Nov 19 10:50 <jony> yup ..

Nov 19 10:50 <chen> I see three blockers, one is assigned

Nov 19 10:50 <jony> chen: i'll take a look at them.

Nov 19 10:50 <chen> cool, plz assign them to you :)

Nov 19 10:50 <abharath> chen: I will commit one of those blockers tomo first thing in the morning

Nov 19 10:50 <chen> mbarnes, yup completely agree :)

Nov 19 10:51 <abharath> the mapi blockers I meant

Nov 19 10:51 <jony> chen: i'll try .. little distracted with other things .. so would take some time ..

Nov 19 10:51 <jony> some are distro specific crashers. don't have time to install/debug it

Nov 19 10:51 <chen> mcrha, yup it would, you would prolly know more clearly once jonner and treitter share the design in the wiki once its finalized

Nov 19 10:52 <chen> abharath, cool

Nov 19 10:52 <mcrha> ok

Nov 19 10:52 <chen> jony, ah ok

Nov 19 10:52 <chen> jony, understand

Nov 19 10:53 <chen> so after the meeting we can choose the bugs between us

Nov 19 10:53 <chen> and the left ones can be looked into tomorrow if no one picks :) i don hope to see any though :)

Nov 19 10:53 <chen> ok ?

Nov 19 10:54 <chen> mcrha, mbarnes jony abharath ^

Nov 19 10:54 <jony> sounds good

Nov 19 10:54 <mcrha> for me tomorrow, other meeting in ~6 minutes, and then leaving home. Unless it'll be a short meeting

Nov 19 10:54 <chen> cool

Nov 19 10:54 <mbarnes> sounds good to me

Nov 19 10:54 <abharath> chen: okies

Nov 19 10:54 <chen> mcrha, cool np

Nov 19 10:55 <chen> moving on to the next then,

Nov 19 10:55 <chen> patch reviews

Nov 19 10:55 <chen> we have around 72 unreviewed patches across components

Nov 19 10:55 <chen> I can take the calendar patches along with some mailer patches as mailer top the numbers..

Nov 19 10:56 <chen> how do we share the others?

Nov 19 10:56 <chen> I know mbarnes will look across components though mailer would top ur list

Nov 19 10:57 <chen> but would be good to share the load with reponsibility associated..

Nov 19 10:57 <chen> who is ready to grab the plugin patches ? :)

Nov 19 10:57 <jony> (time for my theraphy. bfn.)

Nov 19 10:57 <mbarnes> I can help with the plugin patches

Nov 19 10:57 *jony is now known as jony|afk

Nov 19 10:58 <mcrha> I looked once on plugin patches, but then there left few of mine which aren't (or isn't) as that simple to just commit

Nov 19 10:58 <chen> cool!

Nov 19 10:58 <chen> mcrha, mbarnes would help there..

Nov 19 10:58 <mcrha> yup

Nov 19 10:58 <chen> contacts and misc ? :)

Nov 19 10:59 <chen> abharath, mcrha ^^

Nov 19 10:59 <mcrha> best suitable for lakhil again? ;)

Nov 19 10:59 <abharath> chen: plugins I could. misc scary ;)

Nov 19 11:00 *lakhil says big NO

Nov 19 11:00 <chen> I understand there are certain pieces of code which one may not understand and would need learning

Nov 19 11:00 <chen> the same holds good with me too for mailer.. though it might take learning+review it would worth to spend time..

Nov 19 11:00 <chen> abharath, plugins is already grabbed :)

Nov 19 11:00 <mcrha> it'snot only about that. Consider design changes, decision about design changes, and also the code change, thus patches unapplicable.

Nov 19 11:01 <chen> abharath, contacts or misc ? :)

Nov 19 11:01 <mbarnes> for me, I'm game for reviewing any patches for evo

Nov 19 11:01 <mbarnes> and possibly camel -- with help from others

Nov 19 11:01 <chen> mbarnes, sure I will join u there :) and also learn from you :)

Nov 19 11:01 <abharath> chen: hmmm contacts then ;) but I would still snatch the plugins ;)

Nov 19 11:02 <abharath> chen: contacts it will be then

Nov 19 11:02 <chen> mcrha, yup agree, but there are people who know the design well in every area,

Nov 19 11:02 <chen> so would be good to get the help from there wherever required and make a closure on the reviews..

Nov 19 11:03 <chen> for example ross is the best person for address-book, since he cant always revuew all patches

Nov 19 11:03 <chen> it would be good if someone contacts him when needed to share the load with him..

Nov 19 11:03 <chen> abharath, hehe

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Nov 19 11:03 <chen> so we have some names set :)

Nov 19 11:04 <chen> will get it published in the wiki after the meeting for future reference :)

Nov 19 11:04 <chen> and that leads us to another agenda..

Nov 19 11:04 <chen> wiki :)

Nov 19 11:05 <chen> mbarnes, any plans for migrating the wiki, understand that you were thinking about the best,

Nov 19 11:05 <chen> possible ways to transfer the content to lgo

Nov 19 11:06 <chen> jony|afk also did some initial work, prolly he can also share his views once he is back in m-l prolly..

Nov 19 11:06 <chen> mbarnes, are we looking at moving the content anytime near?

Nov 19 11:07 <chen> later..

Nov 19 11:07 <chen> starting with updates from my side..

Nov 19 11:07 <mbarnes> chen: I'd like to, but haven't really made any progress on it yet.  too busy

Nov 19 11:08 <chen> mbarnes, what about putting the live content which is happening in lgo for now?

Nov 19 11:08 <chen> lets migrate the old data later..

Nov 19 11:08 <chen> and use lgo for any reference for whatever we do from now..

Nov 19 11:08 <mbarnes> sure.  start with stuff linked to on the front page + anything else we're actively updating

Nov 19 11:09 <chen> cool, will put those data in lgo today

Nov 19 11:09 <andre> uhm. please don't split wiki content into two domains (lgo and go-evo.org). that will make things hard to find

Nov 19 11:10 <chen> andre, we will keep the old data which holds a lot of old design in go-evol.org for now..

Nov 19 11:10 <andre> as long as the current unbearable situation gets fixed...

Nov 19 11:10 <chen> andre, whatever is current would be in lgo for sometime, atleast for starters..

Nov 19 11:10 <andre> you cannot create a new account in go-evo.org

Nov 19 11:10 <abharath> yes have links for now in the front page but don't forget to migrate slowly over time :)

Nov 19 11:10 <andre> that's not what i define as a wiki.

Nov 19 11:11 <chen> andre, atleast something rather than nothing :)

Nov 19 11:11 *chen saw some users want to editing the current data and ofcourse they can do with go-evo.org atm :(

Nov 19 11:11 *mcrha is now known as mcrha|mtg

Nov 19 11:12 *mbarnes is physically in another meeting right now, so apologies in advance for slow responses

Nov 19 11:12 *mcrha|mtg will be back later

Nov 19 11:12 <chen> andre, good to do it progressively isn it?

Nov 19 11:12 <chen> mcrha|mtg, mbarnes sure np

Nov 19 11:13 <andre> i'm happy with *any* progress. :-P

Nov 19 11:13 <chen> andre, sure you will see it :)

Nov 19 11:14 <chen> have been working on some bugs fixes and more on meeting over the last week. got to get the unreviewed patches from the list :)

Nov 19 11:14 <chen> mcrha|mtg, btw would be good if you change the patch status to unreviewed,

Nov 19 11:14 <chen> on the patches where you are waiting for a review and the status is reviewed..

Nov 19 11:14 <chen> abharath, updates ?

Nov 19 11:15 <abharath> chen: mostly on mapi issues. will commit them tomo

Nov 19 11:15 <chen> abharath, cool

Nov 19 11:15 <chen> andre, anything to share?

Nov 19 11:16 <abharath> chen: wanted to start with FreeBusy, but will do only after fixing some more contact bugs in mapi

Nov 19 11:16 <chen> abharath, ah ok, thats going to be very important feature for mapi..

Nov 19 11:16 <chen> EvaSDK, anything to share?

Nov 19 11:17 <chen> jonner, would be nice to catch often from now, anything to share?

Nov 19 11:18 <chen> lakhil, updates?

Nov 19 11:18 <lakhil> chen: filed many bugs against master in last 2 weeks, patch testing and bug triaging

Nov 19 11:18 <EvaSDK> chen: nope

Nov 19 11:18 <jonner> not at the moment, no.

Nov 19 11:18 <andre> nothing to share.

Nov 19 11:19 <chen> lakhil, hope the last you shared last week will get exhausted next week and be ready with a new one for next week :)

Nov 19 11:19 <chen> EvaSDK, jonner andre fine

Nov 19 11:19 <lakhil> sure .. /me will send new bug list by Monday

Nov 19 11:19 <EvaSDK> chen: hum, actually I cleaned up the wiki again in the last few days, some old spam account that is not removed yet

Nov 19 11:20 <chen> mbarnes, updates if ur able to see this ? (/me does not want to disturb as ur in another meeting)

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> I posted my long-term plans for Camel to evolution-hackers yesterday

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> ("long-term" as in not actively working on it right now, just scheming and planning)

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-hackers/2009-November/msg00019.html

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> many fundamental design decisions in Camel date back to the GNOME 1.x era

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> times have changed.  we have GObject, GIO and GNIO now

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> and some of those design decisions should be reversed in Evolution 3

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> with particular emphasis on moving to an async-based instead of thread-based design

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> I also uploaded a branch I've been picking at over the past year called "camel-gobject"

Nov 19 11:20 <mbarnes> which will begin moving us in that direction

Nov 19 11:20 <chen> EvaSDK, sorry for that..

Nov 19 11:21 <chen> mbarnes, nice :) any idea when the gnio would have the ssl capability ?

Nov 19 11:21 <EvaSDK> chen: no problem, just saying so you guys don't forget about this spam issue :)

Nov 19 11:21 <mbarnes> not sure.  Dan Winship is on it.  I'll check with him

Nov 19 11:22 <chen> EvaSDK, we would soon obsolete go-evolution which would solve the problem :)

Nov 19 11:22 <mbarnes> probably well before I'm ready to use it

Nov 19 11:22 <andre> danw? uh, cool.

Nov 19 11:22 <chen> mbarnes, that would be great!

Nov 19 11:22 <EvaSDK> nice

Nov 19 11:22 <chen> mbarnes, hope there would be not a big change for imapx, but lets see :)

Nov 19 11:23 <chen> mcrha|mtg, updates?

Nov 19 11:23 <chen> treitter, anything to share?

Nov 19 11:23 <treitter> chen: not specifically. We'll keep everyone updated on the wiki/mailing list/bugzilla :)

Nov 19 11:24 *chen targets mid of next month (dec 3rd week) for a demo on imapx

Nov 19 11:24 <chen> treitter, nice :)

Nov 19 11:24 <abharath> chen: cool :)

Nov 19 11:24 <chen> anything else to discuss ?

Nov 19 11:25 <lakhil> it will be good to get some patch reviews done before stable release :)

Nov 19 11:25 <chen> lakhil, sure!

Nov 19 11:26 <chen> lakhil, let us know if u have some specific bug numbers  in mind..

Nov 19 11:26 <lakhil> sure

Nov 19 11:26 <chen> we then catch up next week. thanks all for joining!! have a nice week ahead :)

Nov 19 11:27 <lakhil> good night

Nov 19 11:27 <andre> heh

Nov 19 11:27 <chen> see u, bye

Nov 19 11:28 <abharath> bye all