Aug 18 11:34 <chen_> Lets get started right away :)

Aug 18 11:34 <abharath> everyone here except Akhil and mcrha (on vacation)

Aug 18 11:34 <chen_> This is the frist meeting after the wonderful GUADEC!!!

Aug 18 11:34 <chen_> ah yeah akhil, he might be on the way..

Aug 18 11:35 <chen_> we thoroughly enjoyed GUADEC :)

Aug 18 11:35 <chen_> it was very nice to see dwmw2, mmeeks  and all there..

Aug 18 11:35 <abharath> the best being andre as usual :)

Aug 18 11:35 <chen_> we had a lot of interesting talks and also  discussed future work in evolution,

Aug 18 11:36 <chen_> though most of the areas are already known there was more emphasis on the following features,

Aug 18 11:36 <chen_> + Exchange ews support

Aug 18 11:36 <mmeeks> dwmw2: the memory blow-out is odd; we should run under valgrind with --leak-check=full I guess ;-)

Aug 18 11:36 <chen_> + Search optimization analysing the xapian engine - not-much-mail.

Aug 18 11:37 <chen_> + Integration with libfolks (presence integration)

Aug 18 11:37 <chen_> + webkit (which mbarnes is already on to)

Aug 18 11:37 <andre> I can't remember anything from GUADEC. :-P

Aug 18 11:37 <abharath> andre: and we know why :P

Aug 18 11:37 <chen_> apart from that we had a lot of interesting talks :)

Aug 18 11:37 <mmeeks> dwmw2: and gdbus has only just got EAGAIN support (in glib master) - which is quite critical for evo's use-case ;-) [ I can believe it may leak closures somewhere too ]

Aug 18 11:38 <mmeeks> chen_: who is going to hack on ews with dwmw2 ? :-)

Aug 18 11:38 <chen_> there was someone from igalia developing a library for word prediction which might be interesting for evolution as well..

Aug 18 11:38 <chen_> mmeeks, abharath and myself

Aug 18 11:38 <chen_> mmeeks, punit may also join.. :)

Aug 18 11:38 <dwmw2> mmeeks: since guadec it's been *without* dwmw2, but I should get back to it this week with a bit of luck

Aug 18 11:39 <chen_> with more updates from guadec,

Aug 18 11:39 <chen_> we also had discussions with Brian cameroon and Li Yuan on accessibility issues in evolution requesting help regarding the same,

Aug 18 11:39 <chen_> we are yet to follow-up on those..We would be discussing and moving forward with those in the coming week..

Aug 18 11:39 <abharath> mmeeks: that's the repo http://git.infradead.org/evolution-ews.git

Aug 18 11:39 <chen_> thats about the GUADEC updates.. abharath anything more to add ?

Aug 18 11:40 <abharath> and http://git.infradead.org/users/dwmw2/ews-sync.git for calendar sync

Aug 18 11:40 <chen_> ah mmeeks jony is also contributing there :)

Aug 18 11:40 <dwmw2> ews-sync is just my proof-of-concept hacks that suck the calendar down into local .ics files

Aug 18 11:40 <abharath> naah. I think that should be it :)

Aug 18 11:40 <mmeeks> neato :-) it all sounds fun.

Aug 18 11:40 <abharath> mmeeks: :)

Aug 18 11:40 *mmeeks naturally has no exchange server anywhere nearby ... but ;-)

Aug 18 11:40 <chen_> dwmw2, we are now discussing on having the ews-sync design in eds as well

Aug 18 11:41 <mmeeks> mbarnes: we missed you at GUADEC - too sad etc.

Aug 18 11:41 <abharath> mmeeks: need a test account on an awesome server? ;)

Aug 18 11:41 <dwmw2> chen_: in what way?

Aug 18 11:41 <chen_> we just need to add some more apis and offline class for the same

Aug 18 11:41 <chen_> dwmw2, syncing the changes from offline to online

Aug 18 11:41 <chen_> so basically maintaining all the operations offline and later syncing it with the server

Aug 18 11:41 <mbarnes> mmeeks: next year -- 6th time's a charm  :)

Aug 18 11:41 <abharath> mbarnes: :)

Aug 18 11:41 <chen_> mbarnes, :)

Aug 18 11:42 <dwmw2> well, we only have server->local sync right now

Aug 18 11:42 <dwmw2> but yes, I figured it would be similar

Aug 18 11:42 <chen_> dwmw2, we can have both ways in eds

Aug 18 11:42 <dwmw2> we'll need to figure out local->server stuff.

Aug 18 11:42 <dwmw2> and ical->xml conversion etc.

Aug 18 11:42 <chen_> dwmw2, error reporting on failures cases needs to be thought about though

Aug 18 11:42 <abharath> right

Aug 18 11:43 <abharath> and also some things need to be synced on the server right away

Aug 18 11:43 <mmeeks> mbarnes: I'm mostly worried about this memory leak that dwmw2 reports, and Petr Mladek can reproduce, which (might) be down to the CamelFolder leakage (or something else of course ;-)

Aug 18 11:43 <chen_> will be discussing more with abharath tomorrow and will send an update on apis to be added

Aug 18 11:43 <dwmw2> I was going to get the basic connection support in place and read-only support, then worry about writes

Aug 18 11:43 <dwmw2> mmeeks: it's not clear that it's a leak. It doesn't grow over time; it's just a hog

Aug 18 11:44 <mmeeks> dwmw2: what does pmap say - is it heap, or sqlite database ? :-)

Aug 18 11:44 <mmeeks> dwmw2: and how many folders do you have ? the CamelFolder ref leak may be just that: that as you switch folders tons of data is stored and not released on them.

Aug 18 11:44 <dwmw2> hm, never heard of pmap before

Aug 18 11:44 <dwmw2> I have a metric fuckload of folders

Aug 18 11:45 <mmeeks> pmap `pidof evolution`

Aug 18 11:45 *mmeeks suspects dwmw2 is perhaps another CamelFolder leak victim.

Aug 18 11:45 <dwmw2> I think that requires that I'm not running it in gdb

Aug 18 11:45 <Corsac> (note that sqlite has a bug which makes certain queries quite slow and I'm not sure if evolution is affected)

Aug 18 11:45 <mmeeks> dwmw2: nah - it uses /proc - I'm running under gdb just fine.

Aug 18 11:46 <dwmw2> oh, it requires me to type 6906 not 6096

Aug 18 11:47 <dwmw2> http://david.woodhou.se/evo-pmap.txt

Aug 18 11:47 <chen_> while dwmw2 + mmeeks continue on exploring the memory leak issue, let me quickly go through freezes and releases..

Aug 18 11:47 <mbarnes> heh

Aug 18 11:47 <abharath> :D

Aug 18 11:47 <chen_> Reminder on current freezes - UI/API,ABI/Feature freeze are active - so beware :)

Aug 18 11:47 <dwmw2> oh, wrong machine

Aug 18 11:48 <dwmw2> still over 3G though

Aug 18 11:48 <dwmw2> that one's 2.30

Aug 18 11:48 <chen_> upcoming freezes, string freeze - Aug 30, hard code freeze - Sep 13.

Aug 18 11:48 *mmeeks is just complaining about the memory leak - not actually doing anything about it ;-)

Aug 18 11:48 <mmeeks> chen_: feature freeze ?

Aug 18 11:48 <dwmw2> http://david.woodhou.se/evo-head-pmap.txt

Aug 18 11:48 <andre> go to #evolution for memory leaks ;-)

Aug 18 11:48 *mmeeks is really worried about the state of master ...

Aug 18 11:48 <chen_> mmeeks, am sure you might, once dwmw2 provides some data :)

Aug 18 11:48 <andre> this is a proper meeting! hell yeah!

Aug 18 11:48 <abharath> mmeeks: the fun thing is your complaints end up having pointers and fixes too ;)

Aug 18 11:48 <chen_> mmeeks, yup no more features can be added which requires documentation update for 2.32

Aug 18 11:49 <mmeeks> soo ... my evolution calendar takes 20 seconds to open, and the UI is wedged all the time on start ... ;-)

Aug 18 11:49 <zyx> chen_: so your proposal for api changes is for 2.33?

Aug 18 11:49 *mmeeks also wonders if we got the account autoconfig stuff enabled at all ...

Aug 18 11:49 <mbarnes> ... as if our documentation writers are that responsive, but anyway ...

Aug 18 11:49 <chen_> zyx, yes, for 3.0

Aug 18 11:49 <zyx> ok

Aug 18 11:50 <abharath> mbarnes: and the documentation writers are?? ;)

Aug 18 11:50 <chen_> mbarnes, just some rules already laid :)

Aug 18 11:50 <mbarnes> abharath: exactly  ;)

Aug 18 11:50 <abharath> hehe :)

Aug 18 11:50 <abharath> mmeeks: so this all after the gdbus merge I assume?

Aug 18 11:50 <chen_> and we had a stable release 2.30.3 and unstable release 2.31.90 during this week.

Aug 18 11:50 <mmeeks> abharath: I suppose so, after the gdbus merge, but may pre-date that ;-)

Aug 18 11:51 <abharath> I'll be onto those GDBus issues first and then look at other random stuff

Aug 18 11:51 <abharath> a small break from EWS :P

Aug 18 11:51 <zyx> abharath:  are there many of them?

Aug 18 11:51 <chen_> mmeeks, are running evo through a  ssh session ?

Aug 18 11:51 <mmeeks> abharath: neato ...

Aug 18 11:51 <mmeeks> chen_: nope - from the console - straight up; I suspect it is the GWise backend (as ever)

Aug 18 11:51 *chen_ remembers abharath saying that it used to work fine if it was not an ssh session..

Aug 18 11:52 <mmeeks> chen_: I also get some dbus errors of the form "no method doQuery with signature ss found"

Aug 18 11:52 <mmeeks> and some evil dbus timeouts [ this may be the 20 seconds ]

Aug 18 11:52 <abharath> chen_: right. must be exporting some sessions that's all, but yes easily reproducible

Aug 18 11:52 <mmeeks> better - they are intermittent.

Aug 18 11:52 <chen_> mmeeks, iirc that was fixed by mcrha

Aug 18 11:52 *abharath plans to steal out mmeeks account :)

Aug 18 11:52 <chen_> mmeeks, maybe updating the code might help i guess

Aug 18 11:52 *mmeeks updates e-d-s and evo again

Aug 18 11:53 <abharath> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625514

Aug 18 11:53 <chen_> am currently reviewing the eds optimization patch, it needs some more work, will provide the comments tonight to punit

Aug 18 11:53 <chen_> jpunit, ^

Aug 18 11:53 <abharath> that's the only bug not committed yet. but other fixes pretty much all there on master

Aug 18 11:53 <chen_> and the code should be merged in a week

Aug 18 11:54 <abharath> yes get that in first :) should be pretty neat stuff

Aug 18 11:54 <chen_> groupwise code will be moved out of evolution past 2.32 release to accomodate translation updates. we still need to decide on having a single module which can hold backends, but thats going to be past 2.32 anyways..

Aug 18 11:55 <chen_> moving on to individual updates,

Aug 18 11:55 <abharath> vibs: finally some good news for you :)

Aug 18 11:55 <vibs> abharath: yeah

Aug 18 11:55 <chen_> mostly was on travel and rewamped the development machine with some build fixes.. reviewing couple of patches at the moment..

Aug 18 11:55 <chen_> looked at the ews code updates from abharath and from david's repo and some discussion with abharath ..

Aug 18 11:56 <chen_> wIll be working on maildir migration, presence integration and look into xapian engine over the coming weeks..

Aug 18 11:56 <chen_> thats it from my side..

Aug 18 11:56 <chen_> andre, anything to share?

Aug 18 11:56 <andre> ---

Aug 18 11:56 <chen_> ;)

Aug 18 11:56 <chen_> Corsac, anything to share?

Aug 18 11:56 <abharath> am I invisible :'(

Aug 18 11:57 <chen_> ah sorry sorry

Aug 18 11:57 <chen_> abharath, go on :)

Aug 18 11:57 <abharath> hehe :) just kidding

Aug 18 11:57 <abharath> Couple of patch reviews. 0.31.90 release on Monday. Apart from that mainly EWS.

Aug 18 11:57 <Corsac> chen_: nop

Aug 18 11:57 <chen_> abharath, nice :)

Aug 18 11:57 <abharath> Some pretty cool stuff in there now. Please try it out

Aug 18 11:57 <Corsac> (we'll try to ship 2.30.3 in squeeze if there's no regression from 2.30.2)

Aug 18 11:57 <chen_> dwmw2, updates?

Aug 18 11:57 <chen_> Corsac, fine

Aug 18 11:58 <dwmw2> been fairly busy on non-evo stuff; lots of other things around a MeeGo "Enterprise" build

Aug 18 11:58 <Corsac> (handset or netbook?)

Aug 18 11:58 <chen_> fine

Aug 18 11:59 *chen_ should see other stuffs which dwmw2 does for inspiration :)

Aug 18 11:59 <chen_> jpunit, updates?

Aug 18 11:59 <jpunit> I am working on few mapi bugs and one crash

Aug 18 11:59 <chen_> thanks

Aug 18 11:59 <chen_> kov, updates?

Aug 18 11:59 <chen_> jpunit, and will send the comments for eds optimization thing tonight

Aug 18 11:59 <chen_> mbarnes, updates?

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> I started a planning page for 2.34 (a.k.a. 3.0)

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/Planning234

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> already filled my own plate with ambitious projects

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> I'd ask everyone to update the 2.32 page with your status

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> as this is our primary release notes material

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> and the 2.34 page with your plans

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> ...

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> right now I'm finishing up a last-minute libedataserverui API break

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> as described recently on evo-hackers

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> the new e_load_book_source_async() function seems to be working quite well

Aug 18 11:59 <mbarnes> if it holds up, I may write a similar e_cal_load_book_source_async()

Aug 18 12:00 <jpunit> chen_: sure thanks .. time to go home bye

Aug 18 12:00 *dave_largo (~drichard@207.22.154.8) has joined #evolution-meet

Aug 18 12:00 <chen_> mbarnes, will update the planning page ..

Aug 18 12:00 <chen_> hey dave_largo

Aug 18 12:00 <dave_largo> Hey guys

Aug 18 12:01 <chen_> dave_largo, we are right now going through individual updates..

Aug 18 12:01 <chen_> dave_largo, do you have anthing to share with everyone..

Aug 18 12:01 <chen_> mbarnes, haven read it yet, but is it a break or an api addition ?

Aug 18 12:01 <dave_largo> Just waiting for the channel updates so I can test them for you.  Hopefully that will knock out a few of the crashers

Aug 18 12:02 <abharath> dave_largo: yup. and some more in the loop. as soon as the bucket is full, you'll have another one :)

Aug 18 12:02 <chen_> mbarnes, is it used only by evolution or any chance other apps are using them ?

Aug 18 12:02 <dave_largo> We are probably going to have Pepp work on a few Evo projects.

Aug 18 12:02 <mbarnes> chen_: it's a rewrite of e_load_book_source_async(), which I think only the name selector widgets use

Aug 18 12:02 <chen_> dave_largo, nice

Aug 18 12:03 <chen_> mbarnes, ok

Aug 18 12:03 <dave_largo> The biggest UI issue that I'm hearing about is running a free/busy on a recurring meeting

Aug 18 12:03 <chen_> dave_largo, have you raised any bug ?

Aug 18 12:04 <dave_largo> I have not, the current UI does not accommodate such a search, but I have ideas in my head.

Aug 18 12:04 <dave_largo> Right now they have to send out the recurring meetings blindly

Aug 18 12:04 <chen_> mmeeks, anything to share (i know you already have, but if anything more.. ) ? :)

Aug 18 12:04 <mmeeks> chen_: oh - not much really; just been forced to dogfood master for a long time - due to the lack of ability to go back ...

Aug 18 12:04 <chen_> dave_largo, ah ok. i get the issue

Aug 18 12:05 <chen_> mmeeks, ok :)

Aug 18 12:05 <mmeeks> chen_: if the dbus / calendar issues get fixed - it looks in reasonable shape (to me)

Aug 18 12:05 <chen_> vibs, updates?

Aug 18 12:05 <vibs> I was on vacation ... so just fixed up one bug and now looking into some crash issues

Aug 18 12:05 <chen_> mmeeks, agree

Aug 18 12:06 *chen_ suddenly wonders if he knows the real meaning of dogfood - though slightly remembers its related to testing :) -

Aug 18 12:06 <chen_> ok later for google :)

Aug 18 12:06 <chen_> vibs, thanks

Aug 18 12:06 <chen_> zyx, anything to share?

Aug 18 12:06 <zyx> finishing vacation, passed too quickly. but before vacation did  that GDBus migration, as you noticed and mentioned above. I didn't open company mails yet, so I've no idea how much of eds I broke with GDBus work.

Aug 18 12:06 <chen_> aha

Aug 18 12:06 <chen_> its mcrha :)

Aug 18 12:07 <zyx> yup, it is ;)

Aug 18 12:07 <chen_> zyx, that was a nice deception :)

Aug 18 12:07 <dave_largo> chen_: Maybe before you go, you can ping me with a quick update?

Aug 18 12:07 <chen_> {srinidhi}, anything to share?

Aug 18 12:07 <chen_> dave_largo, sure

Aug 18 12:07 <abharath> lol

Aug 18 12:07 <abharath> zyx: you fooled us all ;)

Aug 18 12:07 <chen_> anything else to be discussed ?

Aug 18 12:08 <abharath> and thanks for all the GDBus work :)

Aug 18 12:08 <chen_> +1

Aug 18 12:08 <zyx> nono, not fooled, not at all

Aug 18 12:08 <{srinidhi}> chen_: nope

Aug 18 12:08 <chen_> Lets meet next month at the same time while zyx might change to mcrha ;)

Aug 18 12:08 <abharath> hehe you were not even the alarm today for the meeting, that was the biggest deception :D

Aug 18 12:08 <chen_> thanks everyone!