Oct 20 11:28 <chen> the house is full. Lets get started!!
Oct 20 11:28 <chen> Starting with EWS update,
Oct 20 11:28 <mcrha> nono, wait for 3 minutes
Oct 20 11:28 <mcrha> or two and a bit
Oct 20 11:28 <dwmw2> there's an EWS update? :)
Oct 20 11:28 <chen> mcrha, ok
Oct 20 11:28 <chen> dwmw2, u would have to wait :)
Oct 20 11:28 <dwmw2> :)
Oct 20 11:29 <abharath> dwmw2: ;)
Oct 20 11:29 <andre> what is EWS?
Oct 20 11:29 <dwmw2> exchange web services
Oct 20 11:29 <abharath> nothing much, but more to come in the future
Oct 20 11:29 <dwmw2> SOAP-based replacement for MAPI
Oct 20 11:30 *chen will wait for mcrha to give a green signal :)
Oct 20 11:30 <mbarnes> g_signal_emit(mcrha, "green", 0);
Oct 20 11:30 <mbarnes> GLib humor ;)
Oct 20 11:30 <mcrha> here you are
Oct 20 11:31 <chen> ok got a go!! :)
Oct 20 11:31 <abharath> mbarnes: :D
Oct 20 11:31 <chen> so myself and abharath sat together and made a small plan to have a direction..
Oct 20 11:31 <chen> we are currently working on a prototype test and the plan is here,
Oct 20 11:32 <chen> so if things go well, we should be able to get some base pieces ready by Dec begining
Oct 20 11:33 <chen> made in spread-sheet to satisfy some managers internally :)
Oct 20 11:33 <chen> The repo as already mentioned,
Oct 20 11:33 <EvaSDK> so, is it yet another exchange connector ?
Oct 20 11:33 <dwmw2> you'll note that the ssh keys on git.infradead.org have changed, btw -- the machine blew up and it's been reinstalled.
Oct 20 11:33 <chen> EvaSDK, yes a needed one
Oct 20 11:34 <dwmw2> different arch so I didn't just use the old disks
Oct 20 11:34 <abharath> dwmw2: yes thanks for bringing it back from the dead
Oct 20 11:34 <mcrha> infra-dead :)
Oct 20 11:34 <chen> dwmw2, ah ok. i did not face any issues though while pushing patches..
Oct 20 11:34 <EvaSDK> I'm fine if you say it's needed, just saying it's the third in a rather short timeframe and we (gentoo) didn't even package evo-mapi due to it's samba4 dependencies, so I hope this time it won't be that hard to package :)
Oct 20 11:34 <abharath> mcrha: :D
Oct 20 11:35 <dwmw2> EvaSDK: MAPI was deprecated by Microsoft in Exchange 2007
Oct 20 11:35 <dwmw2> although Outlook still used it until Outlook 2010
Oct 20 11:35 <chen> right
Oct 20 11:35 <dwmw2> EWS is just SOAP so the external deps are much simpler
Oct 20 11:35 <abharath> EvaSDK: well the dependencies are very basic libraries, so should be good
Oct 20 11:35 <dwmw2> we do need proper NTLM and Kerberos support in libsoup, which it lacks at the moment though
Oct 20 11:36 <EvaSDK> nice, happy to hear it :)
Oct 20 11:36 <abharath> EvaSDK: and also might be much easier to port on Windows
Oct 20 11:36 <chen> dwmw2, have not looked at that yet.., abharath ?
Oct 20 11:37 *abharath looks
Oct 20 11:37 *chen looks at hte bug
Oct 20 11:37 <mcrha> chen, will is be developed on dwmw2's machine, or you have approval from gnome for its git already/awaiting/not needed (joining eex)?
Oct 20 11:37 <chen> mcrha, so i was about to come there :)
Oct 20 11:37 <chen> mcrha, shall we finalize some solution today here in the meeting ?
Oct 20 11:37 <chen> while some discussions already went on e-h list ?
Oct 20 11:37 <mbarnes> dwmw2: when did MS introduce EWS? wondering how much overlap there is in terms of supported exchange versions for mapi vs ews
Oct 20 11:38 <mcrha> chen, up to you, just do not make quick decisions :)
Oct 20 11:38 <dwmw2> mbarnes: in Exchange 2007 I believe
Oct 20 11:38 <dwmw2> theoretically, I don't think MAPI is needed anywhere.
Oct 20 11:38 <dwmw2> although EWS in Exchange 2007 lacks certain features perhaps
Oct 20 11:38 <chen> mcrha, oh no, we can move on to a solution with everyone's agreement :)
Oct 20 11:38 <abharath> dwmw2: like? I did not find anything missing apart from GAL for now
Oct 20 11:38 <mbarnes> dwmw2: was just wondering if evo-exchange can die yet
Oct 20 11:38 <chen> dwmw2, what are they ?
Oct 20 11:39 <dwmw2> some sane handling of timezones is the only one I can remember offhand
Oct 20 11:39 <chen> mbarnes, it wont at-least imho :)
Oct 20 11:39 <dwmw2> half-sane, at least. This is Microsoft, after all.
Oct 20 11:39 <mcrha> mbarnes, 2k3 is too low, I believe
Oct 20 11:39 <dwmw2> evo-exchange is for exchange 2003 and earlier, right?
Oct 20 11:39 <chen> dwmw2, ah ok
Oct 20 11:39 <mcrha> too low for EWS, I meant
Oct 20 11:39 <dwmw2> yeah
Oct 20 11:40 <mcrha> dwmw2, 2k3 only
Oct 20 11:40 <abharath> mcrha: 2k3 and less :)
Oct 20 11:40 <mcrha> abharath, really?
Oct 20 11:40 <abharath> mcrha: hehe yeah :)
Oct 20 11:40 <chen> mbarnes, shall we discuss and get to a conclusion on packaging now or wait for some more discussions in e-h list ?
Oct 20 11:40 <mcrha> abharath, aha, good :)
Oct 20 11:41 <chen> mcrha, ^
Oct 20 11:41 <abharath> mcrha: http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-exchange/tree/README
Oct 20 11:41 <mbarnes> chen: I have nothing more to say about it, but I'd be interested in getting e.g. cooly's take (for evo-rss)
Oct 20 11:41 <mcrha> chen, yeah, let's wait for a week, the mail is out only shortly
Oct 20 11:42 <chen> mbarnes, mcrha ok lets wait for a week then
Oct 20 11:42 <mcrha> abharath, seems there was no exchange before 2000, then :)
Oct 20 11:42 <chen> do we have anything else to discuss before moving on to individual updates ?
Oct 20 11:43 <abharath> mcrha: it was :D
Oct 20 11:43 <mcrha> chen, gtk3 work/gnome3 preparations?
Oct 20 11:43 <chen> dwmw2, will keep watching those bugs while we get the other stuff done in ews..
Oct 20 11:43 <mbarnes> mcrha: ugh
Oct 20 11:43 <dwmw2> yeah, we can use basic auth for now although it sucks
Oct 20 11:44 <mcrha> mbarnes, exactly. though rather take it sooner than later, no?
Oct 20 11:44 <dwmw2> I ought to get a test account on an Exchange 2010 server some time soon, too
Oct 20 11:44 <abharath> dwmw2: me too :)
Oct 20 11:44 <chen> dwmw2, fine
Oct 20 11:44 <dwmw2> I mean I expect to -- it's been discussed and promised
Oct 20 11:44 <dwmw2> not just that I think I should
Oct 20 11:44 <chen> mcrha, anything specific there u would like to discuss ?
Oct 20 11:45 <chen> mcrha, it would be good if we could see what we could share
Oct 20 11:45 <mcrha> chen, I do not know. How much is evo & co. ready? Not much?
Oct 20 11:45 <chen> mcrha, not much testing and not much usage
Oct 20 11:45 *mcrha is just looking for some info
Oct 20 11:46 <chen> mcrha, at-least while releasing this time,
Oct 20 11:46 <chen> i just compiled and testing with gtk2
Oct 20 11:46 <mbarnes> Company has been porting gnome-canvas, ETable, and co. to cairo
Oct 20 11:46 <mbarnes> he posted a rendering-cleanup branch the other day, but I assume it only builds with gtk3
Oct 20 11:46 <mbarnes> mccann posted a patch for gtkhtml, but it has serious rendering regressions that need fixed
Oct 20 11:46 <chen> mcrha, to be frank, i had not been tracking it well. mbarnes would be the best person there..
Oct 20 11:47 <mcrha> mbarnes, so say we can have this done in a month, and then the team will move from gtk2 to gtk3 with evo & co.?
Oct 20 11:47 <mcrha> well, 'we', it's rather 'they for us' :)
Oct 20 11:48 <mbarnes> my recommendation is to continue requiring only gtk2 with an option to build against gtk3 until we see a stable GTK+ 3.0 release
Oct 20 11:48 <mbarnes> trying to jump on the current merry-go-round that is gtk3 right now would be insane
Oct 20 11:48 <lakhil> +1
Oct 20 11:48 <mcrha> mbarnes, ah, right. is it planned around Christmas?
Oct 20 11:48 *chen agrees
Oct 20 11:48 <mbarnes> last I heard, around the end of the year
Oct 20 11:49 <mcrha> ok
Oct 20 11:49 <chen> mbarnes, wouldn that be too late?
Oct 20 11:49 <mbarnes> as far as I'm concerned, that's the release team's problem
Oct 20 11:50 <abharath> ok 6 more months then :D
Oct 20 11:50 <chen> hmm ok
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Oct 20 11:50 <chen> mcrha, anything else before we move on individual updates?
Oct 20 11:50 <mcrha> yeah, a month before API freeze and in string announce period already in January, hmm, it'll be tight
Oct 20 11:51 <mcrha> chen, from my? hehe, I'm quiet like a fish
Oct 20 11:51 <mcrha> *me
Oct 20 11:51 <chen> mcrha, hehe
Oct 20 11:51 <chen> updates from my side,
Oct 20 11:52 <chen> nothing great. Just been in discussions with abharath on ews, with vibs and jpunit on some,
Oct 20 11:52 <chen> customer issues
Oct 20 11:52 <chen> got to just get moving on this month..
Oct 20 11:52 <chen> abharath, updates?
Oct 20 11:53 <chen> andre, anything to share?
Oct 20 11:53 <abharath> chen: well on EWS now. First we added the whole GW chunk, then the full Evo-exch chunk :D now all code removed and cleaned, so I'll push some connection things by this week
Oct 20 11:53 <abharath> updating the test suites
Oct 20 11:53 <chen> abharath, hehe thanks
Oct 20 11:53 <chen> didrocks, anything to share?
Oct 20 11:53 <andre> nope
Oct 20 11:54 <chen> dwmw2, updates?
Oct 20 11:54 <chen> EvaSDK, hggdh anything to share?
Oct 20 11:54 <chen> jpunit, updates?
Oct 20 11:55 <hggdh> not on my side, didrocks is getting heavey on Evo ;-)
Oct 20 11:55 <jpunit> Hi all, I am working on some evo crashers and GW issues and as chen said customer issues as well
Oct 20 11:55 <chen> jpunit, thanks
Oct 20 11:55 <chen> kov, anything to share?
Oct 20 11:55 <chen> lakhil, updates?
Oct 20 11:55 <lakhil> chen, in general updates : sanity of dot releases releases, some patch testing and bug triaging as usual
Oct 20 11:55 <lakhil> i would like to give brief update about bug day which was on Sept 30 and Oct 1
Oct 20 11:55 <chen> lakhil, go on
Oct 20 11:56 <lakhil> as per plan, we targeted Evolution 2.28.x and 2.30.x bugs but we also did some triaging against 2.32.x and 2.26.x.
Oct 20 11:56 <abharath> lakhil: you have those awesome graphs plotted as usual? :D
Oct 20 11:56 <lakhil> In total, we were able to triage close to 250 bugs and out of those bugs, we were able to close near about 95 bugs.
Oct 20 11:56 <lakhil> thanks to all for participation
Oct 20 11:56 <mcrha> oh, it's almost three weeks ago now, the time passes here soooo quickly...
Oct 20 11:56 <lakhil> abharath, :)
Oct 20 11:56 <chen> :)
Oct 20 11:56 <abharath> mcrha: +1 :D
Oct 20 11:57 <vibs> mcrha: +2
Oct 20 11:57 <chen> lakhil, nice job and thanks for co-ordination well. sorry for myself being on leave..
Oct 20 11:57 <EvaSDK> chen: finally finished bumping evo, eds & co in gentoo for gnome 2.32, it's been a bit hard because of a couple of build issues that where reported but not taken care of long before the release
Oct 20 11:57 <lakhil> chen, no problem
Oct 20 11:58 <chen> EvaSDK, ok
Oct 20 11:58 <EvaSDK> chen: also, how many 2.32 releases do you guys plan on doing so I can see if I should bother reporting issues from our users to you or not
Oct 20 11:58 <chen> EvaSDK, let us know how the users feel using 2.32
Oct 20 11:58 <chen> EvaSDK, 3 i guess
Oct 20 11:59 <chen> EvaSDK, it would go as per the gnome schedule but,
Oct 20 11:59 <EvaSDK> so far, I've been very pleased with the release once I managed to build it. Somehow it feels better than 2.30
Oct 20 11:59 <chen> if we have good amount of fixes later too, we would be ready to make additional release..
Oct 20 11:59 <jpunit> mcrha: yeah .. well said
Oct 20 11:59 <EvaSDK> yeah, the gnome schedule doesn't say much to 2.32 support, that's why I ask :)
Oct 20 11:59 <EvaSDK> ok, noted :)
Oct 20 11:59 <chen> EvaSDK, its definetly better than 2.30 in calendaring/address-book areas
Oct 20 12:00 <chen> thanks to mcrha and abharath for taking care of the dbus issues!!
Oct 20 12:00 <chen> mbarnes, updates?
Oct 20 12:00 <lakhil> chen, this time only 2.32.1 is planned as per gnome plan but we can release .2 / .3 as well
Oct 20 12:00 <abharath> chen: mcrha only please :)
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> I've been busy...
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> over the weekend I removed non-intrusive error dialogs from the mailer
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> and replaced them with a GtkInfoBar in the main window
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> similar to my recent changes with the composer
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> I'm also starting now on the GSettings work
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> but so far have only been pecking around the edges
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> trying to consolidate our GConf usage behind EShellSettings
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> I'm still pondering how I want to attack the accounts/sources problem
Oct 20 12:00 *mcrha is missing mbarnes's patch for icaltimezone and e_cal_set_default_timezone
Oct 20 12:00 <mbarnes> mcrha: oh right, I owe you that
Oct 20 12:00 <abharath> ok mbarnes pasting MBs of lines, just like his initials :P
Oct 20 12:01 <mcrha> :)
Oct 20 12:01 <chen> mbarnes, something in the lines of unified account management ?
Oct 20 12:01 <EvaSDK> chen: oh, I remember one thing though, the dialog "mark all mail as read" became much more annoying some 2.30, I guess I should file a report about that
Oct 20 12:01 <mbarnes> chen: well, we'll see. for now I'm mainly concerned with killing off the XML blobs
Oct 20 12:01 <chen> mbarnes, ok
Oct 20 12:02 <chen> mcrha, updates?
Oct 20 12:02 <lakhil> EvaSDK, you mean you see dialog even if there are no sub folders ?
Oct 20 12:02 <mcrha> nothing specila, Im afraid, just trying to cut evo bugs, sometimes I add new. Intentionally and unintentionally.
Oct 20 12:02 *mcrha filled a blocker today
Oct 20 12:02 <chen> mcrha, :)
Oct 20 12:03 <chen> mcrha, w.r.t ?
Oct 20 12:03 <chen> pohly, anything to share?
Oct 20 12:03 <lakhil> all rounder mcrha :)
Oct 20 12:03 *abharath passes mcrha a toffee
Oct 20 12:03 <chen> vibs, updates?
Oct 20 12:03 *jpunit is now known as jpunit|afk
Oct 20 12:03 <vibs> yeah as chen mentioned i was mostly onto customer issues ... worked on a couple of bugs only like accepting meeting for groupwise, issues in autocompletion of names, mini calendar crasher.
Oct 20 12:04 <chen> vibs, thanks
Oct 20 12:04 <chen> xtian, anything to share?
Oct 20 12:04 <abharath> vibs: nice one with that long-standing autocompletion bug
Oct 20 12:04 <mcrha> EvaSDK, please do not file a bug about "is shows if in subfolders when no subfolders", I marked couple as duplicates and I never got what irritates people on it so much
Oct 20 12:04 <abharath> mcrha: hehe
Oct 20 12:05 <vibs> abharath: ;) I should be thanking chen for review and guidance
Oct 20 12:05 <EvaSDK> mcrha: it just pops when you don't actually care about it ? :)
Oct 20 12:05 <vibs> and to you too
Oct 20 12:05 *dave_largo (~firstname.lastname@example.org) has joined #evolution-meet
Oct 20 12:05 <chen> mcrha, i wonder if its a blocker ? :)
Oct 20 12:05 <chen> hey dave_largo
Oct 20 12:05 <dave_largo> I made it! just back from Pizza :D
Oct 20 12:05 <EvaSDK> mcrha: the most annoying thing in fact is that it pops way too late we you are doing things in bit too fast for evo
Oct 20 12:06 <EvaSDK> mcrha: and I say that on a core i7 @2.8Ghz
Oct 20 12:06 <mcrha> chen, the new bug from today? for me it is :)
Oct 20 12:06 <chen> dave_largo, we just moving around updates :)
Oct 20 12:06 <xtian> chen: hum. currently i'm on extending (my local copy of) imapx for imap annotations/metadata
Oct 20 12:06 *chen has still some todo's pending from dave_largo, sorry :(
Oct 20 12:06 <abharath> chen: If you see it, you'll realize how bad it is :D
Oct 20 12:06 <abharath> or was :D
Oct 20 12:06 <chen> xtian, thanks, i hope its going well
Oct 20 12:06 <dave_largo> chen: keep the patches going, the stuff you promised in that email is excellent
Oct 20 12:06 <xtian> chen: then, trying to figure out what the implications of running three imapx instances simultaneously will be
Oct 20 12:07 <mbarnes> dave_largo: there's a Pizza, FL? I'm so moving there.
Oct 20 12:07 <mcrha> EvaSDK, as long as it is not about subfolders in the dialog text then you can file a bug and someone (who knows who) will look on it one day :)
Oct 20 12:07 <chen> abharath, i see it, its bad, still i can use evo. so not worth calling a blocker
Oct 20 12:07 <EvaSDK> mcrha: :)
Oct 20 12:08 <mcrha> dave_largo reminded me, chen, what is with the maildir thing? I recall seeing abharath telling one IRC user "in a day or two". But when it was...
Oct 20 12:08 <chen> dave_largo, we are on it :)
Oct 20 12:08 <abharath> mcrha: he is using it for himself hehe :D
Oct 20 12:08 <chen> mcrha, sad on me, haven made it yet
Oct 20 12:08 <chen> mcrha, last month was little bit bad, will get it in asap
Oct 20 12:09 <mcrha> okok, that should be your update, chen, not a public secret :)
Oct 20 12:09 <abharath> :D
Oct 20 12:09 <chen> hehe
Oct 20 12:09 <chen> anything else from anyone ?
Oct 20 12:09 <xtian> chen: i've done some little refactoring of imapx_untagged, creating a function for each untagged response and changing imapx_untagged to use a ghashtable of function pointers
Oct 20 12:10 <xtian> chen: the results are there in the evolution-kolab git repo, dev_kc_imapx branch
Oct 20 12:10 <chen> xtian, nice, will have a look into it
Oct 20 12:10 <xtian> chen: dwmw2 had a look and he did not cry out loud
Oct 20 12:10 <lakhil> :)
Oct 20 12:10 <xtian> chen: seems it's not too much broken what i did ;-)
Oct 20 12:10 <dave_largo> chen, are you going to be able to take in the work week printing into SLED?
Oct 20 12:10 <chen> then it means it can be upstreamed :)
Oct 20 12:11 <chen> dave_largo, not here :)
Oct 20 12:11 <chen> dave_largo, we can discuss after the meeting
Oct 20 12:12 <dave_largo> i gotta jump offline , chen you can find me later or soon, connecting a new 50Mb circuit :D
Oct 20 12:12 <dave_largo> back later
Oct 20 12:12 *dave_largo has quit (Client exiting)
Oct 20 12:13 <chen> Lets then meet next month 3rd wednesday..
Oct 20 12:13 <chen> Thanks everyone!!