Jun 20 11:36 *mbarnes wonders if this is everyone :(
Jun 20 11:38 <mbarnes> I guess I'll start...
Jun 20 11:38 <mbarnes> evolution-3.4.3 and co was released this past Monday
Jun 20 11:39 <mbarnes> we're off the GNOME release schedule now for the gnome-3-4 branch since it only goes to 3.4.2
Jun 20 11:39 <mbarnes> we're still pretty early in the current release cycle, so I wouldn't rule out a 3.4.4 later on if needed
Jun 20 11:40 <mbarnes> evolution-3.5.3 and co will be released on Monday
Jun 20 11:40 <mbarnes> evolution-exchange, evolution-groupwise, and evolution-kolab are still unbuildable due to the account-mgmt merge
Jun 20 11:40 <mbarnes> evolution-ews mostly working again, and mcrha is working on evolution-mapi
Jun 20 11:41 <mbarnes> I'll be hitting evolution-kolab next
Jun 20 11:41 <mbarnes> the rest of them will get fixed in due time, I guess
Jun 20 11:41 <mbarnes> moving on to discussion topics...
Jun 20 11:42 <mbarnes> the only topic I had for today was about the meeting itself
Jun 20 11:42 <mcrha> :)
Jun 20 11:42 <mbarnes> I'm following the traditional IRC meeting format for today,
Jun 20 11:42 <mbarnes> but since we're suddently a much smaller crew now,
Jun 20 11:42 <mbarnes> (as evidenced by the channel members...)
Jun 20 11:42 <mbarnes> I'm open to revising the meeting format if this is too formal,
Jun 20 11:42 <mbarnes> or discussing whether we still need these monthly meetings at all
Jun 20 11:43 <mbarnes> the goals for these meetings in my mind are:
Jun 20 11:43 <mbarnes> keep everyone informed about upcoming events
Jun 20 11:43 <mbarnes> foster communication between all the developers
Jun 20 11:43 <mbarnes> and as needed, discuss important team-wide issues (like this)
Jun 20 11:43 <mbarnes> and do so publicly and in a recorded format
Jun 20 11:44 <mbarnes> as long as those goals are met, I don't care so much about the means
Jun 20 11:44 <mbarnes> so... what do you guys think?
Jun 20 11:44 <mcrha> like the evo-hackers comply with most of the goals, and addresses more people here?
Jun 20 11:45 <mcrha> ...than here?
Jun 20 11:45 <mbarnes> you're saying the evo-hackers list is pretty much sufficient?
Jun 20 11:46 <dvratil> I guess IRC meeting can be summoned when needed, but if _this_ is all what's left of Evo team, EH is enough I guess (and easier to search in)
Jun 20 11:46 <mcrha> yes, evo-hackers sufficient from my point of view
Jun 20 11:47 <mbarnes> dwmw2_gone, xtian: any opinion?
Jun 20 11:47 *mbarnes kinda wanted to hear from everyone
Jun 20 11:48 <mbarnes> personally, I'm inclined to agree
Jun 20 11:49 <mbarnes> the IRC channel and mailing list seems sufficient for this few developers
Jun 20 11:49 <mbarnes> as long as we all post regularly to the mailing list
Jun 20 11:49 <xtian> mbarnes: (sorry, catching up, processing...)
Jun 20 11:49 <mcrha> regularly?
Jun 20 11:50 <mbarnes> well, I'm mostly concerned with keeping track of what everyone's working on
Jun 20 11:51 <mbarnes> if the mailing list becomes a ghost town or someone goes silent for months, that's a problem
Jun 20 11:51 <xtian> kick him/her in (not from) the irc channel then
Jun 20 11:51 <mbarnes> for example, I have no idea if srag is still working on his email-factory branch because he never posts an update
Jun 20 11:53 <xtian> imho, in #evolution-meet, there's not much time to tell about individual updates
Jun 20 11:53 <mcrha> I see. For me it's usually just bug activity, which doesn't make much sense to send updates, especially as bugzilla makes it for me
Jun 20 11:54 <mbarnes> xtian: yeah, good point
Jun 20 11:54 <mbarnes> individual updates to the mailing list work better for me too
Jun 20 11:54 <mbarnes> I'm too wordy for real-time chat :)
Jun 20 11:55 <xtian> irc chan is also not threaded, easy to lose track of who said what and who replied
Jun 20 11:55 <dvratil> +1 for updates on mailing lists :-)
Jun 20 11:55 <mcrha> s/chan/channel/
Jun 20 11:55 <mcrha> I suppose :)
Jun 20 11:55 *xtian trying to cut short his overly lengthy e-h list postings, anyone noticed? ;-)
Jun 20 11:56 <xtian> mcrha: true
Jun 20 11:56 <mbarnes> :)
Jun 20 11:57 <mbarnes> okay... consensus seems to be mailing list is sufficient for individual updates and discussion topics
Jun 20 11:58 <xtian> mbarnes: do you have an idea as to what "regular updates" could mean?
Jun 20 11:58 *mcrha has working ema mail/book/cal, configuration lefts
Jun 20 11:59 <mcrha> as I said above, my status updates are more than boring, just about bugs I was working on
Jun 20 11:59 <mbarnes> xtian: I don't want to get too formal about it
Jun 20 11:59 <xtian> mbarnes: fine
Jun 20 11:59 <mbarnes> treat the mailing list as a technical blog with an interested audience :)
Jun 20 12:00 <dvratil> mcrha, you can pipe git log --author...to E-H once a week :-)
Jun 20 12:00 <mbarnes> haha
Jun 20 12:00 <mcrha> yeah, and they will begin to like me ;)
Jun 20 12:01 <mbarnes> I guess what I mean is as long as I'm not asking "hey whatever happened to so-and-so?", then I'm happy
Jun 20 12:01 <xtian> mbarnes: which would reduce #evolution-meet to something like "haven't heard from srag in a while, anyone knowing whether he's still working on email-factory?"
Jun 20 12:01 *dvratil has quit (Konversation terminated!)
Jun 20 12:01 <mbarnes> pretty much :)
Jun 20 12:02 *dvratil (~Dan@ip4-95-82-187-209.cust.nbox.cz) has joined #evolution-meet
Jun 20 12:02 <mbarnes> actually I'll email him and see what his status is
Jun 20 12:03 *mcrha on a feeding duty
Jun 20 12:03 <mcrha> I guess this is all for today, right?
Jun 20 12:04 <mbarnes> yeah... I was gonna do one last round of status updates but seems no point
Jun 20 12:04 *xtian has already sent his status update to e-h. :)
Jun 20 12:05 <mbarnes> dvratil: have you started converting the composer at all or still fixing webkit regressions?
Jun 20 12:05 <mcrha> and for me mbarnes did the main status update, I'm on ema porting to 3.5.3, configuration parts left.
Jun 20 12:05 *mcrha is now known as mcrha|afk
Jun 20 12:05 <dvratil> well since you are OK with shipping Evo 3.6 with GtkHTML composer, I decided to postpone it a little bit and finish the cool features in the new formatter first
Jun 20 12:06 <mbarnes> oh okay, cool... makes sense
Jun 20 12:06 <dvratil> there are still a few bugs from the webkit port, but nothing major, mostly fixed by the new formatter
Jun 20 12:06 <mbarnes> as for my own status: just porting modules to the account-mgmt API and generally just fixing bugs for awhile
Jun 20 12:06 <mbarnes> sounds silly, but I missed just fixing bugs
Jun 20 12:07 <mbarnes> cool, sounds like we're in good shape with webkit
Jun 20 12:07 <mbarnes> it's been working great for me... nice job! :)
Jun 20 12:07 <mbarnes> I guess that wraps it up
Jun 20 12:07 <mbarnes> thanks everyone
Jun 20 12:07 <dvratil> yup, there's a regression in 1.9.x but I reported it, hopefully they fix it soon
Jun 20 12:09 <xtian> thanks mbarnes for guiding us through
Jun 20 12:10 <mbarnes> just for the log: decision is to hold IRC meetings as needed, and mostly use the evolution-hackers mailing list from here out